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Old 04-29-2003, 08:38 PM
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Default Deca/Eq and gyno

I heard some of you guys stating that running Deca without Test gave you Gyno. On a primarily cutting cycle as opposed to bulking what can you stack with Deca to prevent Gyno? Also will EQ alone without Test lead to gyno as well? I want to start cutting and just was going to include 200 mg per week of Deca for my joints and really don't want the bloat now from Test.
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Old 04-29-2003, 09:31 PM
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Default you shouldn't have anything to worry about

if you are only doing 200mg of deca, the same goes for eq...a good cutting cycle could include winni, tren, anavar, primo, test,clen,arimidex...you can go on and on...depends on what you have available to you and what kind of diet you are going to follow....need a little more info..
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Old 04-29-2003, 11:08 PM
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Default w/EQ alone

there isn't much gyno probs... it doesn't shut down your HPTA like deca/trenbolone does... likewise EQ doesn't aromatize much even at higher doses.

I think Test should be in all cycles... just use a small amount of arimidex with it to keep off bloat/estro sides.
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Old 04-30-2003, 12:36 AM
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Thanks for the input. I am paranoid about side effects. Especially Hair Loss. So I have always tried to rule out anything that could convert to DHT. So Test,D-Bol etc. was always on my NO list. I really don't care about size, I just want to be RIPPED beyond belief. I was therefore considering a Deca/Winny cycle maybe even including EQ also. When you say Test should always be included in any cycle, even with my particular goals? I may be willing to throw in a shot of Sustanon every 3-4 weeks if you believe it would help, but won't this effect my ripped look? I am confused because someone posted they got Gyno using Deca after 3-4 weeks because they did not add the Test until then. So should I add the Sustanon to prevent this or Bag it?
Also, can Winny cause Hair Loss, if so what can help prevent this? I hear Saw Palmetto 320 mg's per day standardized to 85-95% fatty acids. I know I am paranoid, but I am already starting to recede in the front of my head/sides (not on back/top) so Propecia or Rogaine won't help.
As far as diet goes I started the Atkins Diet about 3 weeks ago. Low carbs/high Protein/even higher Fat. Sitting at about 15% bodyfat right now and would like to drop it down to 6-7% if possible.
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Old 04-30-2003, 12:53 AM
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I believe alot of the sides like hairloss and gyno are going to be if your more predisposed to getting them. Some guys can run really high dosages and not get any gyno, but others will start to get lumps after just a small cycle. If you haven't had any problems with small dosages, just keep some nolva on hand in case it becomes a problem during the cycle.
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Old 04-30-2003, 08:37 AM
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Default If you are prone

to MPB (male pattern baldness) then EQ would be your best bet for your goals. If MPB is not a factor in your family, you don't have much to worry about. Steroids will only speed up the balding process, not cause it.

Winstrol is harsh on the hairline.
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