First Time User of Test E, Nolvadex, Clomid: What to Expect?

[iSteroids]

Hi Avid,

"Yes, slight onset of potential gyno corrected by AI... Obviously some testicular atrophy."
Thank you, that's what I thought were going to be the biggest problems too.

"It's an arrogance to me to see you coming on here knowing very little more than you've read and dictating to us how we answer your questions. You are not entitled to anything more than we choose to give you."

I apologize if I come off as arrogant, I don't mean to be. In fact, I truly very humbly apologize. However it is a little difficult to gain knowledge when people focus on the wrong thing on a very specific question.

People are always quick to point out that one is not ready. But that's why I'm here because I have admitted that I am not ready. That is the first step to learning. And knowing that I don't know, I ask. And when I ask and it is answered with something completely irrelevant and immaterial, it's a non-sequitur to blame the person for not knowing because he's not being taught. I guess what I'm saying is that people telling me that I don't know is like preaching to the choir. I already know that I don't know.

Furthermore, I am positive that I have done more reading than you give me credit for. I can recite any technicalia regarding testosterone, nolvadex, and clomid, (I have visited and devoured countless sites) but that's just what they are. I cannot know more than what I've read; I've never injected. And I need to know what really happens in the real-world so I can guage the theoretical with reality. I don't know anyone in real life who uses, and I am afraid to ask.

Again I apologize if my precision is being mistaken for arrogance. I don't mean to be arrogant. But thank you for confirming my fears.

Avid, on a different note, do you recommend that a beginner use HCG at day 1 or should the beginner use HCG only on the first signs of hypogonadism(testicular atrophy)?

[Avid Learner]

i wouldn't bother using hcg during your cycle. Use it post cycle... It's not necessary while on in my opinion.

[Avid Learner]

The point i was trying to emphasize is that while some things are more common, they are all definitely POSSIBLE. Everyone responds differently. That's a concept that's hard to learn from books. While you may acknowledge it as something you "know" you never really believe it until you see it in action.

[2lowaudio]

avid learner, way to keep cool!!!

[itsjesuslol]

Do you really need to take Nolva during the cycle???

If your so worried about the side effects, lower your dosage.

[N!MrOd]

Avid Learner, bro, please respond to these comments made by HCGfome on a different thread--
he said "Also I dont care what AR says about PCT drop the HCG. HCG is to be run during the cycle 500iu 2X ew from week 2 until 4 days prior to PCT.

Keep your balls full during cycle and leydig cells alive and then start recovery, or kill all the leydig cells be completely shut down and hope for the best. HCG for PCT is stone age thinking!"

Eager to know what do u think about this? I personally feel using HCG while ON cycle can desensitize LH receptors. Thats a pain in the balls, cos then ur PCT goes for a toss! hope u agree thats possible, although maybe at low doses of HCG like 500iu e5d it may not happen :P

[Avid Learner]

i don't think there is anything wrong with using HCG on cycle.