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Old 05-17-2007, 09:06 PM
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To answer your original question: you might start to "feel it" a little towards the end of the first week. You will feel a little something into the 2nd week. By the 3rd week you will be a little stronger and feel very enthusiastic about your workouts, and may have gained a couple pounds. The 4th week will be great, and by the 5th week you will be in full-swing, making gains almost every workout and you will notice your body being "remodelled" noticeably with fat losses and muscle gains (providing you wat properly).
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Awesome thanks everyone! Do you guys think an anti-e is totally necessary or can i just do clomid and something else during my post cycle? djsf what do you mean providing i wat properly?
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he meant eat. eat properly.
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If this is your first cycle then 750mg/wk is a bit much.

I'd scale back to 500mg/wk.

The more muscular you are ABOVE your natural max the more gear you need.

If you aren't near your natural max already there is no sense in wasting gear.

You could lower your dosage and extend your cycle length for example.

Longer esters (like cypionate) usually "kick in" around wk 3 or 4 from my experience...
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Also...

First cycles are better left to one compound...that way you can get a better sense of how you'll react.

The winny is already overkill on top of too high a concentration of test.

Your first cycle is often considered your best or "golden" cycle.

Back it down and enjoy the ride...

There is no linear relationship b/w how much gear you take and how much mass you gain... The relationship is not that simple...

Less is sometimes more...
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Whether you do an anti-e with your cycle is complete unrelated to whether you do clomid post cycle. They have nothing to do with each other.

You are trying to solve two problems:
1) estrogen produced by aromatizing steroids while on-cycle, which can cause bloating, water retention, moodiness, and ultimately gyno (solved by use of an anti-estrogen)
2) recovery of your HPTA post-cycle (solved by doing a PCT, which may include nolva, clomid, aromasin, HCG, etc.)
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