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[Mr.X]

Originally Posted by ectomatt

no gains from anything at this stage, but like said im only on like the 4th tab of paperdrol, i started it late cos needed clomid and ordered from the paper and need to order something thats not for pct to place an order, if that makes sense? so i got anadrol.... when turned up i thought why not.... i kno its not perfect but hey, diet is around this

wait you mean you're using paperdrol not anadrol from A-S ?

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Paperdrol ???

Originally Posted by ectomatt

no gains from anything at this stage, but like said im only on like the 4th tab of paperdrol, i started it late cos needed clomid and ordered from the paper and need to order something thats not for pct to place an order, if that makes sense? so i got anadrol.... when turned up i thought why not.... i kno its not perfect but hey, diet is around this


breakfast: bowl of muesli, protein shake
930: 4 egg whites, 2 pieces of wholemeal bread, bowl of yogurt and another shake
12.30: 185g of tuna, bowl of pasta with pasta sauce or something to ease the taste of plain pasta, piece of fruit
3.30 shake
4.30 another shake as would of just trained
6.00dinner normally a chicked dish whether it would be stir fry or something like that or eye fillet steak with roast vegies
9.00 another shake an maybe a bowl of ice cream

i'm 6 foot 2
90 kilo
15% bf
only want bulk i'm not interested in being cut

thanks guys

[I am Jack]

Originally Posted by Mr.X

wait you mean you're using paperdrol not anadrol from A-S ?

Yeah, when you reread his first post he only asks about the test e and eq from A-S. He mentions that he just started drol.

His diet might not be on key but he should be growing with np on that. I think his training has to be off, maybe he is overdoing it.

[Mighty mouse]

Matt:

I would suggest ingesting more protein and start eating 1-2 times during night;try to wakeup at least once during your sleep and eat a good meal than go right back to sleep. I don't know if other people do this but I wake up starving in the middle of the night so I eat a small meal; sometimes twice a night. Not sure if you're taking other supplements but I like to use Animal Packs and Glutamine and various other products for metabolism and recovery. Of course "none" of those mentioned products work like AAS on metabolism or recovery but I believe they are beneficial.

Also, please describe your training. I think that if you're doing basic compound movements every week that you should see gains in strength and mass. How is your shot schedule and doses split up? Has your Anadrol worked out as of yet?? If you don't start seeing a change in your appetite and recovery from the A-50 after a week I would think that it's potency would be in question.

I noticed gains from the A-50 from the day I started taking it; metabolism shot through the roof. I know I started to feel something from either the Eq or Test at the beginning of week 3 of my workout. I believe I can differentiate between the A50 and the injectables... because on that particular day and afterwards I can tell I felt stronger and more pumped. Just my opinion though.

Also, concerning gains in strength... I've gained on a gradual basis but seem not to plateau as compared to when training without any AAS. I've noticed that even when I'm tired and don't feel like training that I still manage to make Personal Record gains from week to week while on AAS. I train Squat 3 days per week; Bench 3 days per week and back 3 days per week... Seems to be effective for me. As far as how much I gain in strength from week to week; for me it seems not to be so much as physical when on AAS it comes down to mental prepartion (for real) If I think I can do it I usually can. However, when not on AAS theres been many times when I tried and failed because my body failed or couldn't go on. e.g. didn't recover from workout to workout or ran out of gas during sets.

Hope this helps.

[I am Jack]

Originally Posted by Mighty mouse

I would suggest ingesting more protein and start eating 1-2 times during night;try to wakeup at least once during your sleep and eat a good meal than go right back to sleep. I don't know if other people do this but I wake up starving in the middle of the night so I eat a small meal; sometimes twice a night. Not sure if you're taking other supplements but I like to use Animal Packs and Glutamine and various other products for metabolism and recovery. Of course "none" of those mentioned products work like AAS on metabolism or recovery but I believe they are beneficial.

I think sleeping through the night is way more beneficial than eating during the night - unless hunger is literally waking you up.

[Adam F]

Originally Posted by Mr.X

your diet is terrible (not even bad)

You have way to many Protein shakes in there and not enough food. The food that you are eating is good, but you drinking 4 shakes per day. Shakes are great dont get me wrong, but you need real food not so many shakes. The diet you have planned out is something I would normally eat for a cutting cycle, but again im a big boy:bigsmile

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I wouldn't think his diet is terrible but I do think you need some more complex actual foods in there rather than all those shakes as Adam suggested. I have never heard of anyone actually waking themsleves up to eat either. I would have thought proper rest was more improtant as Jack pointed out. Overall though I am still a little suprised your not seeing any gains in either strength or mass. At 15% BF which isn't bad then I would defintely try to be eating more than you are as clearly your metabolism can handle it.

[ectomatt]

yeah i get paperdrol from redicat, im in australia so my options are limited.... also mates arent into the weights or gym thing so not as easy as just askin a mate to help me out.... but i've heard nothing but good things about them so i'll see how they go... the eating through the night thing shit dude i couldnt do that, like i'm an electrician working consruction i work flat out all day so my sleep is crucial to being ok for the next day, i've been poking around on the net like having a look at others diets i do agree that maybe too many shakes not enough food, i realise cant exactly just go by what someone else eats but how does this look....



First meal, 7 am:
8 oz. oatmeal
0.6 1 skim milk, 0.3% fat
0.2 1 orange juice


Second meal, 10.30 am:
10 oz, whole wheat bread
protein shake with skim milk
1 banana 1

Third meal, 2.00 pm:
8 oz. brown rice
10 oz chicken breast
5 oz. vegetables

Fifth meal, 5.30 pm:
7 oz. cottage cheese
7 Oz. whole wheat bread
1 oz. peanut buffer
1 apple, approx. 4 oz.
0.2 1 orange juice

Fourth meal, 9.00 pm
protein shake
16 Oz. baked potatoes
Mixed salad
0.5l water

this was a little different but i changed it and added 2 shakes one in morning and one at night, made it a little more realistic for me as i think was for someone that did nothing but go gym and cook food haha, i gotta have something that fits in with lifestyle and can prepare everyday...

anythoughts? i hope this could work cos i could stick to quite easily

[ectomatt]

Mighty mouse my training schedule is train five days then 2 days off as that fits in good with work and weekend so i only train work days and have weekend off, one day per one muscle group, like monday chest tuesday shoulders wednesday back thursday legs and abs friday arms...

train for around 45 minutes but thursady is an hour as doing 2 muscle groups

each exercise i do 5-6 sets of 4-7 reps of heaviest unless is an excersise where the heaviest i could lift i lose form.. like flies with free weights i drop couple kilos off what i'm sure could do and do 8 reps and keep the sets closer together, say 40 seconds... the heavier sets i wait around 1.5-2 minutes... each muscle i would do 4-5 different exercises

i notice you do bench 3 days a week? if i do bench today, which will being monday then my chest is sore for like 3-4 days... can you train while a muscle is still like that... well obviously can but is it less benificial then waiting till back to normal? thats only reason i wait a week till train same muscle again

[I am Jack]

He probably doesn't train to failure.