t3 owns a high dosage of var?

[genjuro]

2 weeks before my own cycle var-t4 cycle, I have a buddy who's doing a similar cycle with some problems.

His first week he took just var at 100mg(and tren ena and test but that's dosed too low to kick in yet), with quick decent results and an extreme pump.

Now monday (his second week) he ran t3 alongside it, ramping it up quickly to 100mcg, and the typical var-pump is now... well... gone. No pump at all actually, and his muscle definition went to hell.

While I know that var increases nitrogen-retention and t3 decreases it, how can such a relatively average dose of t3 negate such a high dose of var, and so severely? Does this depend on the person? And why is a similar cycle recommended pre-contest if something like this happens...


I've adviced him to put t3 at 25mcg just to counter the prolactin-tren side, but I promised him to look into this, so here I am

[Adam F]

Sorry but Running T-3 with GH will decrease Nitrogen retention; not T-3 alone. If you are overdosing T-3 you can burn off muscle mass if you have a very low BF%. If your friend is Using Test E, Tren, and Var their is a possibility that his muscle defenition is going to hell because he is holding water. Sorry but I have a feeling he has a improper diet.

Just a side note you have to be starving yourself to be on a AAS cycle and loss muscle

[Adam F]

Ohh yeah read this study.. http://mend.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/18/5/1120

This will give you a better understanding of Prolactin and 19Nor Groups like Deca And Tren

[genjuro]

Originally Posted by Adam F

Sorry but Running T-3 with GH will decrease Nitrogen retention; not T-3 alone. If you are overdosing T-3 you can burn off muscle mass if you have a very low BF%. If your friend is Using Test E, Tren, and Var their is a possibility that his muscle defenition is going to hell because he is holding water. Sorry but I have a feeling he has a improper diet.

Just a side note you have to be starving yourself to be on a AAS cycle and loss muscle

Then could u explain to me why my muscles were so soft on t3(with nothing else) that my girlfriend actually thought I gained weight while I had dropped 6 kg, and a week later I looked harder than ever? I did not cut that much in carbs or calories at all, I basicly just increased cardio, so carb rebound could not be it to my knowledge.

It's not the muscle def he is worried about (he's still pretty fat, this is his cutting cycle), it's the decreased pump. He's one of those pump-addicts, I told him taking var would be enough to counter the decreased pumps I personally experienced with t3(even tho I don't care about pumps), and since it didn't, I'd love to know why...

I will look into the study, thank you for the link...

I was told that trenbolone decreased your thyroid levels, and that this increased prolactine. I'm too tired to make much of the study right now, so I'll continue reading it tomorrow.