pct

[the man in black]

i am new to the forum so if you wish to know a little about me you can check the introduction page it should answer initial ? and if you still need base info just ask. well my ? is ...would be ok not to include hcg in my pct it's kindof hard to find and seems if i mess it up somehow it wouldn't be good i don't know just really don't want to take it bad feeling about it i guess, a better way to put it is apprehensive about it. so your next ? is whats your cycle ...right? well it's a little unorthodox i plan to only take tren A for 8 weeks 75mg eod thats it. this is why it doesn't aromatize so no worry about gyno while i am on. second is it is a short ester so if i have problems or decide it's not for me i don't have to wait 3 to 4 weeks for it to be out of my body. third i think the least amount of gear i put in the better. i am only looking for modest gains that i can keep right now.
now your going to tell me well newb you won't be able to stick yourself that much, tren coughs, insane pumps to the point where it hurts while you lift. take the words out of your mouth? lol well thank you for your concern. yeah i am a little hesitant about sticking myself and i hate shots lol but i am determined trust me i will be ok in that area. ok so far my pct is only clomid 50 mg twice a day say 14 days so what do you think i am open to all advice but i am not here to burned so if your thinking about being a dick i would appreciate it if you would just keep it to yourself thanks

[dashizzle]

Some people say HCG is a "MUST-HAVE"
Myself and plenty of other people I know have done fine with Nolvadex,clomid,Arimidex,aromasin and combinations of the both, with no HCG.

I,personally would LOVE to try it out with my next PCT...but like you said, it is tough to find, and tough to trust the sources that claim to have it. If the sponsors here had it, I'd buy it. But until then(or until I find a trustworthy source) I will stick to what I posted above.
But, I wouldn't do a pct that consists of Clomid as the ONLY compound. Using Clomid and Nolva together get the job done.

As for your cycle....i am guessing it is your first cycle?
I would not do a tren only cycle for your first cycle.

I can't give you too much as far as opinions go for your cycle, because you didn't really say what your goals are........but.......
Yes, test can carry side-effects, but IMO it is a much better choice for a first cycle. If you would rather have short-esters, go with some test-prop.
I have run cycles without test, but I usually include it in some way.

IMO, even a EQ only cycle would be better than a tren only cycle.

I WOULD like to know how long you've been training, and what your diet is like.

Not trying to bash ya, not trying to be a dick....just stating my opinion.

[access]

Firstly a tren only cycle is not the way to go. Especially for your first cycle. Tren can cause progeserone related gyno too. I doubt at those doseages you would have to be too concerned but either way your research might be a little off if gyno was only concern. Also tren will mess badly with your libido. The "limp dick" syndrome is very real and I am guessing something everyone wants to avoid.

Much rather see you just run Test E or C but if pinning everday is not a concern then run Test Prop. Once weekly injects of E or C are much more mangeable first time around.

[Smiley]

I agree I wouldn't run tren like that you could opt for Test prop EOD 150mg each shot. You think that you are putting less AS in your system with the Tren but in fact it is a very powerful steroid mg for mg.

[hazcat]

Sounds like he has it all figured out already.

[the man in black]

first off i want to say thanks for the input and second i appreciate genuine attitude of advice that makes this a lot easier for me! :boobies

to answer some ? now i am 26 5'9 155 have been working out the last 2 years steady i intake 4,000 calories a day eat alot of protein and carbs alot of fish eggs peanuts and peanut butter chicken some pork not big on it and a protein shake a day and two shakes a day when i work out pastas and breads for carbs well anyway everyone says that they are hard gainers well i really am so that is why i am turning to a s my goals are to increase strength and weight with little water retention i am ok with modest result actually prefer modest results easier on the body and don't have to explain as much i would love to gain 15 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks it took damn near two years to gain that much so really 15 pound in that much time is really not modest at all the one thing i don't like about test right now is i have to take anti-e's while i am on it and after plus 150mg eod of test prop appose to 75mg eod of tren so i am putting alot of shit in my body my goal there is less is best
but i am considering test prop. why does everyone suggest test for a first cycle? ACCESS what is this "Tren can cause progeserone related gyno" i will look it up but would also like you to help explain i am so hesitant to use gear that aromatizes because as a a teenager under my nipples there was like a tumor felling mass so i told my mom went to the doctor and he said it was cause the hormones in my body at that time and it would go away it did but kind of sounds like gyno a little right ? i just figured when i am on a s it will be like puberty all over again right? i just don't want ***** tits !! so if i would decide test prop is the way to go what would be the ideal cycle and pct i will do research but would love your guys advice! thanks guys


ps i wish i had it all figured out!!

[the man in black]

there was supose to be boobies after the first sentence but it didn't show up :boobies:boobies

[the man in black]

oh by the way why does tren cause a limp dick i thought that gear is synthetic testosterone and would increase sexually appetite forgive me for being naive thats why i am here

[access]

Sounds to me like maybe you had pubescent gyno when you were younger. Typically this does clear up on it's own, especially if your able to drop BF but sometimes does require surgery.

It's true Tren does not aromatize but it is progestagenic so do not run Nolva while on a tren only cycle as this can induce progesterone/prolactin related gyno. Also never treat progesterone/prolactin gyno with Nolva as is likely to increase the problem rather than inhibit or reverse it. Tren is a progesterone agonist and if you have any estrogen increases along with prolactin rises then gyno can result. Doing Tren only though this scenario is unlikely as there is not going to be any Test in your body to increase the estrogen. The reason test production will be shut off is becasue Tren binds strongly to the androgen receptor and this is also where the limp dick syndrome comes into play. No test, No libido.

I am certainly not advocating that you don't run Tren as your first cycle entirely, my advice is that perhaps a more tried and true cycle of test would be more appropriate. This is a naturally occurring substance within your body so less likely to cause any issues with you and your being smart about the doseages so I can't see that you should not have any problems at all. Sides if any are very manageable with Arimidex while on cycle as relating to gyno and Nolva for PCT will be simple. If you run the Prop and something very untoward happens you can stop and have it out of your system within days. I doubt very much that this will be necessary though if you have the ancilliaries I mentioned on hand.

[dashizzle]

Very, Very sound advice access. And I agree 110% .