First cycle- Dbol/Tbol stack

[Whatever it Takes]

Heres my stats:

Height: 5' 9"
Weight: 150lbs
BF: Almost none- very ripped and toned
Lifting: over 4 yrs.

I was planning a 6 week dbol and tbol stack, running dbol all 6 weeks and starting tbol on the third. I know that taking 2 orals is not recommended but I will not exceed 50mg of dbol and tbol combined since it is my first cycle. This should be less of a strain on my liver, correct? I was thinking that the tbol would help to keep some of the gains made by the dbol and would be an alternative to test. I plan on taking off on the weekends to further prevent any liver damage. I was thinking of taking Nolva ED during my cycle @ 10-15mg to avoid some of the estrogenic side effects. For pct, I was thinking of starting with taking the rest of the leftover Nolva along with Clomid for 3-4 weeks.

Here's what my cycle looks like:

Wk 1-2: Dbol @ 15mg + Nolva @ 10mg
Wk 3-4: Dbol @ 20mg + Tbol @ 25mg + Nolva @ 10mg
Wk 4-6: Dbol @ 25mg + Tbol @ 25mg + Nolva @ 10mg
Wk 7: Nolva @ 10mg + Clomid @ 50-60mg
Wk 8-9: Clomid @ 50mg

Im not sure if I skimped too much on the clomid but I am small and have heard that lower doses work as well as outrageous ones. I have heard that Dbol and Tbol work well together but havent really heard if Tbol can be used to keep dbol gains.

Please feel free to tear this cycle and myself up into minute pieces.

[paramuscle]

I would take this one back to the drawing board........................you need some test in there or you are gonna shut down.............Don't do an oral only cycle and you don't need the nolva until you need the nolva.................I would recommend getting some Eest Enanthate or Cypionate and running it @ 500/ wk for 12 weeks and then run PCT and quit all that other shit.




~PM

[josh1095]

same shit over and over.... oral only is a bad move. if you searched youd see this subject has been beat to death already. i second para, 500 test.

[Sammyboy]

How old are you??

Listen to Para, he knows his shit

[Garra]

d-bol is an especially risky aas to take if you havent managed to do a cycle before...

im runnig sus and var at the moment and put on some solid muscle with minimal bloat at only 250mg/week of sus and 30 mg var e.d.

but still run test for 10 -12 weeks at 500mg to assess how ur body reacts to aas

[Whatever it Takes]

Thanks for the feedback...

so you say cut out the tbol and introduce test prop or cyp? Wont test shut me down just as much as the orals?

I know that discussions on taking 2 orals have been beaten many times, but I have never seen my specific case. The dosage of the two combined orals are less than what many use for only one oral. I kind of wanted to keep this cycle to a max of 6 weeks, but I havent ever heard of anyone taking test for less than 8. Would it be ineffective to stack dbol and test prop or cyp for only 6 weeks?

Will the dosages of Clomid and Nolva mentioned earlier be sufficient for PCT? When do you suggest starting the Nolva?

BTW- I am 21 years of age and my current financial status is pretty tight.

[Garra]

Originally Posted by Whatever it Takes

Thanks for the feedback...

so you say cut out the tbol and introduce test prop or cyp? Wont test shut me down just as much as the orals?

I know that discussions on taking 2 orals have been beaten many times, but I have never seen my specific case. The dosage of the two combined orals are less than what many use for only one oral. I kind of wanted to keep this cycle to a max of 6 weeks, but I havent ever heard of anyone taking test for less than 8. Would it be ineffective to stack dbol and test prop or cyp for only 6 weeks?

Will the dosages of Clomid and Nolva mentioned earlier be sufficient for PCT? When do you suggest starting the Nolva?

BTW- I am 21 years of age and my current financial status is pretty tight.

first of all at 21 id wait at least another year.

secondly running dbol at such at that dosage, even with the prop, will yield LESS results than running the prop for 12 weeks. and it will probably do more harm than good to your body...

when running a test only cycle, the nolva would be sufficient for pct....

[Whatever it Takes]

secondly running dbol at such at that dosage, even with the prop, will yield LESS results than running the prop for 12 weeks. and it will probably do more harm than good to your body...

That's why I challenged the test in the first place. What is good for a 6 week cycle?

[paramuscle]

You sound like you got your mind set on this so let me tell you this. Taking two orals at a smaller dose than one would be sort of defeats the point in my mind. Take one thing and grow and stop getting a =ll creative and trying to find a system. Test alone will blow your freaking mind and that should be enough to make you listen......................forget all this funny shit for your first time or two.

Most of the time, we switch this stuff up later on because we don't respond as well as we did "back in the day". You should respond like a MF'R to nothing but test. I think you should wait a little but if you are gonna do it, get some Enanthate or some Cypionate and get happy................

Next thing is this, a six week cycle is a waste of fucking money unless there are other circumstance that make it a necessity to do a shorter run.............do the 10-12 week of E or Cyp and get it done.




~PM

[Garra]

Originally Posted by Whatever it Takes

That's why I challenged the test in the first place. What is good for a 6 week cycle?

anapolan...but serioisly dude...

firstly...ull be putting ur liver under strain runnin any oral excepting anavar to an extent

secondly...most of ur gains will wither away irrespective of pct..

thirdly...the estrogenic and androgenic side effects of d-bol is particulalry high..dont waste your time and gear

go with the test as para said....