Substanon for a begginner user?

[h4x0l2]

Originally Posted by Krypto_AS

How am I wasting your time? I'm trying to get advice and mostly what I get are smart ass answers. 20 is too young huh? Ok how about 22-23?

The reason you got terrible answers is due to terrible attitude shown twords others by you. If you had approached this entire thing differently, you would have gotten a different result.

Honestly, 22-25 would probably be better...Just make sure you are done growing first. If you aren't done growing, you WILL run into some serious problems...including but not limeted to, no sexual functionality if executed improperly. Who wants that? Nobody does, and I would assume you don't as well. We are all here to help you out, but remember this, everyone wants to be treated in a nice way. I know for sure when I am not, I never in my life have been in a situation where I could fight someone and havn't. (And so far I've only lost one when I was 12)

So maybe I personnally need to work on that, it's probably not a good thing.

Overall point being, if you want the advice, listen to it. You really sounded like a jackass when you said "Krypto_AS Um, no thank you. "

All he is doing is looking out for your well being just as he hopes people will do for him, and you threw it back in his face. Thats when I personnally got pissed off.


So as for help on what you are trying to do here, I think it would be in order to restate you're goals, give us an introduction, and welcome to IS.

[Krypto_AS]

That's also one of the reasons I want steroids. To give me the upper edge in a fight and just defend myself. Ok, I might have come on a little strong and for that I do apoligize.

[daredevil]

Originally Posted by Krypto_AS

So you're basically saying that diet is the major factor in increasing strength.

Yep thats what we're saying. It's about 80% of it. Food is the most anabolic thing you can put in you. Let's say you cycle, but all you do is give your body crap to work with, you'll be left with a crap body after the cycle. Crappy gains, crappy everything. If you give your body something good to work with diet wise, you will come out with something that will last. Wait until 23. And eat, eat, eat all the good food you can. Train hard. Master your workout techniques. Then you will be primed for a cycle. And by then you will already be looking like a god. Then you will get the most out of the cycle and not crap up your body now. Long term, seroids are bad for you. Simple fact... thats why it's so important that you don't abuse them, but treat them with care because they are such a powerful tool.

[Krypto_AS]

Do you need to take dietary supplements such as N.O. Xplode that gives you energy or is that what steroids do for you?

[madruga]

Originally Posted by daredevil

Yep thats what we're saying. It's about 80% of it. Food is the most anabolic thing you can put in you. Let's say you cycle, but all you do is give your body crap to work with, you'll be left with a crap body after the cycle. Crappy gains, crappy everything. If you give your body something good to work with diet wise, you will come out with something that will last. Wait until 23. And eat, eat, eat all the good food you can. Train hard. Master your workout techniques. Then you will be primed for a cycle. And by then you will already be looking like a god. Then you will get the most out of the cycle and not crap up your body now. Long term, seroids are bad for you. Simple fact... thats why it's so important that you don't abuse them, but treat them with care because they are such a powerful tool.

i agree with this completely. a friend of mine did a cycle of test e 500mg.week for 12 weeks and ate like shit. probably ate 2000-2500 calories a day, and he weighed 200 lbs. ate the end of 12 weeks guess what he gained. 15 lbs on his bench and 10 lbs. of watery weight. steroids are by no means a miracle drug. they simply help you out a little, but only if your diet is spot on.

now just hear me out on this part. we were all your age once and i know that when i was, i knew everything. like someone said earlier, if i could of gotten juice when i was 17 i would have probably killed myself. good on you for deciding to wait a few years to juice, but please, for yourself, if you are 22 and are still making gains naturally (which you should be) don't take steroids. just because you're a certain age doesn't mean that you have reached your genetic potential. my father started training when he was 19, and at age 37 (6'4, 230 lbs, 6.5% bf) was still gaining quality strength and muscle, NATURALLY. he was a genius with his diet and training, and heaven only knows how much bigger we all would be if we had our diet and training dialed in perfectly like he did.

diet and training, diet and training, diet and training....that's what it all comes down to bud. and i assure you, if you use steroids before you plateau, you will regret it. i assure you. anyone agree?

[madruga]

Originally Posted by Krypto_AS

Do you need to take dietary supplements such as N.O. Xplode that gives you energy or is that what steroids do for you?

90% of supplements are complete BS. stick with protein and creatine. that's all you need, along with a solid, consistent diet.

and steroids are not taken to give you energy. at 17, you should have enough of that.

[Krypto_AS]

Originally Posted by madruga

90% of supplements are complete BS. stick with protein and creatine. that's all you need, along with a solid, consistent diet.

and steroids are not taken to give you energy. at 17, you should have enough of that.

Actually, NO xplode isn't bs, and it works for me. Gives me plenty of energy and have gotten much stronger from it. Steroids only help a little? Cmon stop messing with me, how could have he only gained 15 pounds on his bench press in 12 weeks on steroids, I can gain more than that on bench naturally. I do drink a lot of protein shakes though which make up for the meals that I miss.

[willy222]

get ur energy from carbs. NO xplode is bullshit.

[willy222]

*edit* its not 100% bullshit, it does give u a bit of a pump, but its not worth the cash

[Required_1]

Originally Posted by Krypto_AS

We cann you give me advice on a cycle I could do with Subs?

week 1-12 10mg Nolvadex daily
week 1-5 250mg Sustanon weekly
week 6-10 200mg Deca-Durabolin weekly
week 13 40mg Nolvadex & 100mg Clomid daily
week 14 30mg nolvadex & 50mg Clomid daily
week 15 20mg Nolvadex & 50mg Clomid daily

Being a 1st time user and insistent upon using sus & deca, here is an easy cycle to run. Keeping it simple will be best. Certainly don't do a cycle beyond 10 weeks. But more importantly, you must eat right! This stuff will not do much for ya unless you combine it with a 75% protien intake in yer meals which should be
about 6 meals a day evenly spaced out every 3 hours.