My first cycle - log

[MrV]

Originally Posted by ranger87

with all my reads and reports of dbol i really not fear but don't trust my body on dbol so i don't think i will try that, however tbol seems to be really good i will start a cycle with tbol and winstrol and log everything as well VO to let you all know how it goes.

tbol and winstrol? what kind of liver support to you have set up for that?

[ViennaOak]

Originally Posted by ranger87

and it is a bit more difficult to get an erection, labored breathing and occassional slight disorientation...




Is this still a problem????

Yes. Some sides such as disorientation come and go. One day I feel sharp, then the next I can feel disoriented and have trouble breathing. Normally it happens in the morning on my walk to work after my first dose. Like I said, I have bad allergies for 2-3 weeks at the start of spring, so that could be a contributing factor.

-VO

[access]

Just try cutting back on the dosage of d-bol next time.

[hazcat]

Originally Posted by ViennaOak

Like I said, I have bad allergies for 2-3 weeks at the start of spring, so that could be a contributing factor.

-VO

Have you tried using nasonex for your allergies? I can't recommend it enough. It has made my life so much better. I don't even take any antihistamines since starting nasonex.

[ViennaOak]

Originally Posted by hazcat

Have you tried using nasonex for your allergies? I can't recommend it enough. It has made my life so much better. I don't even take any antihistamines since starting nasonex.

Never tried it, although I find that commercial with Antonio Banderas as the bee to be funny as hell. I have flonase, loratadine, and benadryl... Benadryl seems to work best. Loratdine (claritin) does not agree with me. Nothing ever really works for me, I just have to deal with 3 weeks of hell at the beginning of spring every year. Benadryl knocking me out is my only hope... lol.

-VO

[ViennaOak]

Originally Posted by access

Just try cutting back on the dosage of d-bol next time.

I'm only at 30mg... 10mg at the mng dose. Like I said in one of my updates a few days back, I don't really think D-Bol is for me next time. Although I like the results (strength and size to boot), I don't like the water and aerobic taxing that I feel.... plus cardio is nearly impossible with the pumps and cramping I get. Not the best compound IMO, but in terms of ease of acquisition, cost, and ease of administration, certainly not a waste for someone wishing to see how they handle a relatively harsh AAS with a short half-life.

-VO

[access]

Originally Posted by ViennaOak

I'm only at 30mg... 10mg at the mng dose. Like I said in one of my updates a few days back, I don't really think D-Bol is for me next time. Although I like the results (strength and size to boot), I don't like the water and aerobic taxing that I feel.... plus cardio is nearly impossible with the pumps and cramping I get. Not the best compound IMO, but in terms of ease of acquisition, cost, and ease of administration, certainly not a waste for someone wishing to see how they handle a relatively harsh AAS with a short half-life.

-VO

Yes your probably right with those sides at that dose. Again it's all about trial and experience for everyone and we learn as we go.

[ViennaOak]

Update

Day 28... back

Chinups have been hard and I have noticed my lats look "high"... so i am switching from chins to the assisted chin-up machine this weeks to get a better contraction at the peak of the movement to bring my lower lats more into play.

assisted chin machine - bodyweight- 40*12, 40*8, 40*7, 40*5+80*5+120*5 this is very controlled and have a much better pump than traditional chins
1 arm DB row - 85*8, 8, 90*6, 6
hammer grip cable pulldown - 120*12, 130*10
BB row - 95*15, 135-10, 145*8, 150*6, 150*6
standing reverse grip low cable row - 100*12, 110*12
deadlift - 175*12, 225*10, 235*8

sometimes I feel like I am getting ahead of myself and my form is suffering a little on certain exercises... I noticed it on my BB rows, I was using too much momentum - IT's OK not to raise the weight every single week!



Day 29... Rest
I twinged my right shoulder yesterday doing 1-arm rows... so I am off to get a massage and sit in a sauna down in Korea town. I'm back down to 20mg today, so i pop 20mg this mng all at once on my rest day.



Day 30
SHOULDERS

the massage helped a lot and my shoulder feels 85% so I'll tackle shoulders today... 10mg in the am 10mg in the a/n preworkout

seated BB press - 95*12, 140*9, 140*7, 145*6, 145*5, 95*13
OH DB flyes - 20*11, 20*11
side delt DB - 20*14, 20*12, 20*10+12.5*7, 20*10+12.5*7... surprisingly, this is becoming one of my most intense exercises hands down... by the time I am done, my entire shoulder girdle in in AGONY from the next to the outside head of my bicep!
shrug machine - 90*12, 105*8, 105*8, 115*6
upright rope - 55*12, 60*10, 65*8, 65*8
lower lat DB kickback - saw this exercise in FLEX this month and wanted to take it easy on my rear delts... really good lower lat pump... it's basically a bent over tricep kickback with a straight arm 10*15, 15*15, 15, 15*12+10*6
rear delt machine - light work to get a pump


weigh-in 198 +25lbs in 30 days

I'm actually down a pound since my last weighin 3 days ago. I'm not surprised since I spent time in a sauna yesterday after my massage. 12 days left until PCT. I've got 2 weeks of Nolva 20mg ED planned. Do you guys think that should be sufficient? Personally I don't "feel" overly shut down, although I dont have much to gauge it by being my first cycle.


-VO

[ranger87]

VO some of your loss of breath and disoriented could be your allergy meds as well not working well with the dbol I have no facts to pepove but just a thought

[daredevil]

Originally Posted by ViennaOak

I don't really think D-Bol is for me next time. I don't like the water and aerobic taxing that I feel.... plus cardio is nearly impossible with the pumps and cramping I get. Not the best compound IMO

I think it's interesting looking back from the first post to now seeing how your opinion of d-bol has changed. I think overall it was a great cycle/learning experience for you. I really enjoyed the updates as well. Please let us know how much of the gains you keep after pct. Question though, do you think at this point you'd use d-bol in the future as a kickstart ?