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whenever you feel you are ready, go with anabolic-stealth they are the sponsor at the top of the screen. I am going to suggest a test cypionate only cycle, which at your age(i am 36) would probably do wonders, as was suggested. get 2 20ml packs, do probably a mon-wed-fri 1ml,1ml,1ml, respectively (thats 750mg/wk)for about 12 weeks. ask these other guys about pct for this cycle.,now i'm going to stray from the consensus here on the issue of bodyfat, cus the test im doing is melting it away, i think my bodyfat was probably due to low test levels....well there you go.Yes there will be water bloat- but if underneath it muscle is building, and fat is burning, then who cares? at our age though, we need to watch the bloodpressure isssue that may come with water retention. eat verry clean-no fast food! The best bulking steroid is test, and the best cutting steroid is test, test is best. Its all in how you train and eat.
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Hi ViennaOak

Your input is interesting and encouraging.

Your gains are excellent, have you noticed much water retention in the first 10 days? Any other unwanted side effects?

What PCT will you use, clomid?

Thanks & regards
Mark
Read my cycle log... just some labored breathing... for PCT I am going to use Nolva 20mg ED 2 wks... as for water, I would say I am holding no more than I do with just creatine. I don't look any puffier than b4.

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Old 04-22-2008, 12:58 PM
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diet is very good; 150-200 grams of protein from whey in between meals of fish, steak, pasta, rice, yogurt, eggs, milk, and plenty of water.
your diet is very vague and probably not half as good as you make it out to be, and think it is. keep eating, thats it. if you do decide to though, don't ever think about dbol only. waste of time
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whenever you feel you are ready, go with anabolic-stealth they are the sponsor at the top of the screen. I am going to suggest a test cypionate only cycle, which at your age(i am 36) would probably do wonders, as was suggested. get 2 20ml packs, do probably a mon-wed-fri 1ml,1ml,1ml, respectively (thats 750mg/wk)for about 12 weeks. ask these other guys about pct for this cycle.,now i'm going to stray from the consensus here on the issue of bodyfat, cus the test im doing is melting it away, i think my bodyfat was probably due to low test levels....well there you go.Yes there will be water bloat- but if underneath it muscle is building, and fat is burning, then who cares? at our age though, we need to watch the bloodpressure isssue that may come with water retention. eat verry clean-no fast food! The best bulking steroid is test, and the best cutting steroid is test, test is best. Its all in how you train and eat.
I agree completely ! Im a couple months shy of being 39 and about 3 1/2 weeks into my 1st test cycle. My diet-cardio-and training have always been in check but somewhere around 35 yrs old I just couldnt lose the fat as easily. The fat is now literally melting off with no other variables being changed, except the AAS.
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I agree completely ! Im a couple months shy of being 39 and about 3 1/2 weeks into my 1st test cycle. My diet-cardio-and training have always been in check but somewhere around 35 yrs old I just couldnt lose the fat as easily. The fat is now literally melting off with no other variables being changed, except the AAS.
I am literally beating them off with a stick!
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Okay fella's....there is no reason in the world to inject test c three times a week. Dr.'s prescribe it at every two weeks. I'm down for doing it weekly to keep blood levels a little more even. Two days a week only because you need to split up the volume when running another compound. Just wanted to get that out there.

Okay, you have one vote for a dbol only cycle and the rest of us would like you to run a test only cycle instead. I hope that helps you make up your mind. I don't even have a problem with you running dbol for the first 4 weeks of your test only cycle. I can't believe you're plateaued already so you better look at switching up your routine while you cut your body fat.

Last edited by hazcat; 04-22-2008 at 11:42 PM. Reason: typo .. forgot to add I DON"T even had a problem with you runnning dbol for first 4 weeks.
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Okay fella's....there is no reason in the world to inject test c three times a week. Dr.'s prescribe it at every two weeks. I'm down for doing it weekly to keep blood levels a little more even. Two days a week only because you need to split up the volume when running another compound. Just wanted to get that out there.

Okay, you have one vote for a dbol only cycle and the rest of us would like you to run a test only cycle instead. I hope that helps you make up your mind. I even have a problem with you running dbol for the first 4 weeks of your test only cycle. I can't believe you're plateaued already so you better look at switching up your routine while you cut your body fat.
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whenever you feel you are ready, go with anabolic-stealth they are the sponsor at the top of the screen. I am going to suggest a test cypionate only cycle, which at your age(i am 36) would probably do wonders, as was suggested. get 2 20ml packs, do probably a mon-wed-fri 1ml,1ml,1ml, respectively (thats 750mg/wk)for about 12 weeks.
Hello, this seems like the positive way to go. Before I start any cycle I am going to rearrange my training program, add in some more cardio and fine tune the diet. Hopefully I'll make some gains staying natural before taking this serious step.

I shall be watching the progress of ViennaOak on Dbol only closely. I already have 100 tabs of Dianabol LA and I may run a Dbol cycle only before Test C, with PCT then wait and run a Test C only cycle. Taking time to make the right choice, doing more research, seems like the best move.

Thanks for all the sound advice.

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I have done dbol only cycles,they are ok, but like fcpcjc try test c or test e, you will
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Hello Rondo

Thanks for your input.

When the cycle was over did you keep most of your gains? Did you run into any problems on Dbol like Gyno, water retention?

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