Estrogen and AI's will it effect your gains ??

[Merc.]

Originally Posted by whytee

So im geussing , well more like asking is it better to wait a bit to see how you react to cycle rather then start a small dosing of an AI.

People that are very gyno prone could consider a low dose of an AI ( like Adex) ...

But yea you could wait to see if any problems arise before using any other compounds.. Of course its a good idea to have SERMS and or AI's on hand in case symptoms occur ..

Remember .... Gyno needs progesterone , estrogen as well as other mediators such as GH and IGF-1 to form ... It's not just estrogen that causes gyno .




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[Smiley]

Originally Posted by whytee

So im geussing , well more like asking is it better to wait a bit to see how you react to cycle rather then start a small dosing of an AI.

That is exactly what I think if you can get away with out them on cycle then don't use them untill PCT.

[Merc.]

Originally Posted by Smiley

That is exactly what I think if you can get away with out them on cycle then don't use them untill PCT.

TRUTH ^^^^^^^^^^^^^





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[corto]

Letro really held me back...I dropped it 3 weeks ago and the difference is night and day...I dont know if its just me, but if you dont need to use it dont use it. I wish I could explain the difference it made.

[Merc.]

Originally Posted by corto

Letro really held me back...I dropped it 3 weeks ago and the difference is night and day...I dont know if its just me, but if you dont need to use it dont use it. I wish I could explain the difference it made.

Thanks for the feedback ....



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[access]

Originally Posted by corto

Letro really held me back...I dropped it 3 weeks ago and the difference is night and day...I dont know if its just me, but if you dont need to use it dont use it. I wish I could explain the difference it made.

Letro is about as good an AI as you can get even at low dose so most definitely Letro is not called for as on cycle AI unless your really gyno prone and are aware of it. A-dex is more than sufficient for I would estimate 95+% of those who actually do need an AI on cycle.

My suggestion is to those who are starting cycles without any history is to ensure you have your AI and SERMS on hand but do not use until you notice any signs of gyno. Itchy, sensitive nips is a classic tell but even that might not be enough to have you start an AI. Your not going to know until you have some history and also experience with differing AAS but if you get those early signs then start low dose a-dex (.25mgs/EOD intially) and see if they go away and then stop the a-dex if they do. If it returns then restart but just monitor closely until your more aware of how your body is going to react and remeber when your switching up substances in any second, third cycle etc your going to have to pay close attention all over again.

For me when I take high dose Test I get some itchy nips and a couple of days of a-dex normally fixes it and then I am good again. I would say this is probably true for most but too many guys are so hung up on gyno that they get carried away with their AI and end up inhibiting their gains. Their is little doubt gyno sucks big time but if your careful and pay close attention you will avoid it. The guys that don't are usually the ones that end up with it as they are ill informed from the beginning.

[Merc.]

Originally Posted by access

Letro is about as good an AI as you can get even at low dose so most definitely Letro is not called for as on cycle AI unless your really gyno prone and are aware of it. A-dex is more than sufficient for I would estimate 95+% of those who actually do need an AI on cycle.

My suggestion is to those who are starting cycles without any history is to ensure you have your AI and SERMS on hand but do not use until you notice any signs of gyno. Itchy, sensitive nips is a classic tell but even that might not be enough to have you start an AI. Your not going to know until you have some history and also experience with differing AAS but if you get those early signs then start low dose a-dex (.25mgs/EOD intially) and see if they go away and then stop the a-dex if they do. If it returns then restart but just monitor closely until your more aware of how your body is going to react and remeber when your switching up substances in any second, third cycle etc your going to have to pay close attention all over again.

For me when I take high dose Test I get some itchy nips and a couple of days of a-dex normally fixes it and then I am good again. I would say this is probably true for most but too many guys are so hung up on gyno that they get carried away with their AI and end up inhibiting their gains. Their is little doubt gyno sucks big time but if your careful and pay close attention you will avoid it. The guys that don't are usually the ones that end up with it as they are ill informed from the beginning.

Great post Access!!!


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[Jamo]

Woah im confused here now, just something i want to clear up.

Not many of you will suggest to take tamoxifen during cycle right? But why, when taking AIs clearly inhibits gains, surely tamoxifen doesnt touch estrogen levels, but just stops the worst side effect.
Cant we take a little tamoxifen to stop gyno, then if any bloating is noticed, take a small dose of an AI, severely limiting the use of an AI and not inhibiting gains.

[access]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Woah im confused here now, just something i want to clear up.

Not many of you will suggest to take tamoxifen during cycle right? But why, when taking AIs clearly inhibits gains, surely tamoxifen doesnt touch estrogen levels, but just stops the worst side effect.
Cant we take a little tamoxifen to stop gyno, then if any bloating is noticed, take a small dose of an AI, severely limiting the use of an AI and not inhibiting gains.

Nolva directly effects IGF levels so their is a detrimental effect there while on cycle too. Also Nolva is a SERM and can be used as you suggest but clearly if you have large circulating levels of estrogen the best way to lower these is with an AI. Keep Nolva for gyno reversal while on cycle but use an AI to keep estrogen in check. This is much more effective. Overall though we want to limit the use of an AI on cycle if possible and the recent threads have been addressing this issue as we as a community have been overusing AI's I think for the most part as I think you will find they are not necessary but guys have been taking them becasue of a perceived risk of gyno. The risk is real but we need to monitor rather than use something as an AI when it's not justified until we do have high levels of estrogen but again let's monitor that while on cycle.