PCT not effective... Also

[CogentTheory]

I took a bunch of widely available methyls; namely Havoc & Jungle Warfare... Only for 2 1/2 weeks approximately, and they were working, but my nuts shrunk badly, had horrible joint pain and stiffness, no sex drive and lethargy. So I quit.

I am taking loads of ALRI's Restore, but after the first week it's not really seeming to work.

I say it doesn't work, not really knowing if it is or not. I am not having my test levels checked. I'm just using my testicle size as an indicator of where my testosterone level is at. Is that a reliable indicator?

So Nolvadex is a SERM... And at this point, my estrogen is probably through the roof since ALRI's Restore sucks. It's supposed to be Estrogen suppresive, but I don't see that. I have some breast development.

How long till Estrogen/Testosterone equalizes or drops down to normal levels? Since it's already been over week, the aromitization should have already taken place?

What do I take that has luteinizing hormones to stimulate the gonads?

Because my nuts are probably half the size they are normally. Maybe a little more.

I guess my question is this; should I just stick it out with the legal PCT or get Nolvadex? If I wait a long time and my testosterone still doesn't come back, did I miss the window of opportunity, or can I trigger restoration to homeostasis at a later time? Or if I don't act now, am I missing my chance?

Also, I'd like to do real AAS, but can these side effects be avoided? :

1. joint pain or stiffness.
2. sleeplessness/insomnia.
3. lethargy.
4. eradicated libido.

also, I don't want to break the law. Can we change the laws so I can do AAS more safely?

Another thing is that it's really tough to be mobile with all that extra muscle. Running a mile becomes increasingly difficult if not impossible. I guess it depends on which steroid you take...

[h4x0l2]

you did everything wrong from the looks of it. No research, no questions. You need some HCG, nolva, and liquidex at this point.

[HashMan]

All i can say is wow, you need to read up bro. And yes we would all love the laws to change, I would love to just go down to the pharmacy and buy a cycle but its not that easy. Let this be a lesson to you, and if it is a "legal steroid" it sucks dont do it. Nolvadex is legal and it can be shipped to your door in about 3 days.....

[MrV]

I just called the president.. he agreed to legalize aas for you this ONE time.. you should be GTG!





.. I'd better just add that i'm being sarcastic, just in case..

[MrV]

i hate that this is happening to you, but man, PH's are no joke.. they can really screw you up.. it's not something you take and then figure out what to do afterwards.. hopefully this will prepare you if there comes a next time..

like H4x and Hash said, you got to do a LOT more reading! a few questions answered about aas isn't going to help you out at all...

[hazcat]

Buy some nolvadex and hcg. The hcg will restore your boys to the correct size and the nolvadex will stop those boobs right in their tracks. Quit screwing around and go with what works.

[the man in black]

man why did you run those i told you as well as everyone else that read your last thread to not take those i personally have no problem giving advice but if i hold my hand out to help you and you sh it in it what am i to do it will take weeks for you to get your hands on hcg prob. and nolva could take just as long...look if your sate side go to a-g guys they are sponsors here and you should get it rather quick they call it liquinolva on there site buy it i don't even know what to suggest for dosage if you have breast tissue development you better buy some letro to and hope that you don't have to have surgery to remove your man boobs good luck i wash my hands

[Terbia]

They make these "legal" steroids seem like they have the beneiets of the real ones, w/o the need for a good cycle and PCT plan, and this is criminal. A couple of mistakes you have made:

Mistake #1: NO RESEARCH!

Mistake #2: messing with legal steroid (unproven effects), and not the tried and tested real stuff

Mistake #3: Beggining a "cycle" w/o researched PCT plan, and w/o PCT gear in hand.

Fix-it: Throw their PCT GARBAGE OUT, Get some clomi (to stimulate LH and assist in bringing your natural T levels up) and some nolva on hand asap, research boards for a PCT plan (which should of been started b4 quitting your "legal" cylcle, throw your methyls out!

Good luck.

[access]

Ok so now you know why you were told not to take prohormones..as has been said you will need Nolva definitely and you can get this quickly as advised through ag-guys and you'll also need to try and get some HCG which will help immensely. The quicker you can do this the better.