Not Gaining Much On Cycle

[Floridagrowin]

Originally Posted by hazcat

Yes, I've been hanging around here for some time now and try as best I can not to influence others with my thoughts about EQ.
Everyone responds differently to each and every AAS. The only point I would attempt to make here is to not use it in a mass building cycle. .

Haz, great post. I think anytime you or anyone else here post their experience or opinion it influences others view or lack of view on the subject. I believe this is why most if not everyone comes here. It stimulates conversation and debate. I find personal experience to be as beneficial as any study. I happen to like eq for but totally agree there is probably another aas out there that will accomplish the same thing. Maybe I'm strange but I don't like to put on too much at one time (the slow gain theory). I have my own reasons for this and being so I use compounds that accomplish my goals. I like tren because I have found gains to be very keepable and I like eq for the same reason although they work differently. The key is to absorb as much knowledge as you can from what you read then experiment to find what works best for you. Obviously we need to take a common sense aproach while doing so.

[jmm2020]

I am going to jump in here and say I had mixed results with EQ till I did some research and Access is right on the numbers with 600Mgs...it did little for me till I hit those numbers and peaked around there as well..1000 for example showed no appreciable increase in either mass or whats important to me, strength...at 600Mgs it has done wonders in keeping me hard and less bloated on Test...I maintain a weight class oriented existence so massive weight gains are meaningless to me but recovery, strength and Power are important...I use board sponsors and have had issues with some injection site pain but my oven fixes that and not with Eq...its butter...try it and like stated by Haz...be optomistic and if it works great...if not go with a tren or winny...for any recovery based cycle I am really fond of anavar but it is pricey...everything depends upon your goals and your physiology and you need to define those through trial and error with good judgement and research...as you have done...be well

[hazcat]

Originally Posted by jmm2020

I am going to jump in here and say I had mixed results with EQ till I did some research and Access is right on the numbers with 600Mgs...it did little for me till I hit those numbers and peaked around there as well..1000 for example showed no appreciable increase in either mass or whats important to me, strength...at 600Mgs it has done wonders in keeping me hard and less bloated on Test...I maintain a weight class oriented existence so massive weight gains are meaningless to me but recovery, strength and Power are important...I use board sponsors and have had issues with some injection site pain but my oven fixes that and not with Eq...its butter...try it and like stated by Haz...be optomistic and if it works great...if not go with a tren or winny...for any recovery based cycle I am really fond of anavar but it is pricey...everything depends upon your goals and your physiology and you need to define those through trial and error with good judgement and research...as you have done...be well

Thanks for jumping in. Your post is a great addition to this thread.

[access]

Originally Posted by Floridagrowin

Haz, great post. I think anytime you or anyone else here post their experience or opinion it influences others view or lack of view on the subject. I believe this is why most if not everyone comes here. It stimulates conversation and debate. I find personal experience to be as beneficial as any study. I happen to like eq for but totally agree there is probably another aas out there that will accomplish the same thing. Maybe I'm strange but I don't like to put on too much at one time (the slow gain theory). I have my own reasons for this and being so I use compounds that accomplish my goals. I like tren because I have found gains to be very keepable and I like eq for the same reason although they work differently. The key is to absorb as much knowledge as you can from what you read then experiment to find what works best for you. Obviously we need to take a common sense aproach while doing so.

That's a great approach to have Florida!

[hazcat]

As I think back all the EQ I ran was from the same batch of powder (oily crap). Perhaps some EQ from a sponsor might be in order just to see what happens. I have no problem opening my mind to the caliber of people on this thread that like EQ. It always seems to me that the longer I stay at a sight the more I find out that those with different views on topics are really the same when everything is said and done. We may get there by different routes but eventually those with strong convictions and a good knowledge base initially bump heads here and there but as time goes by we all eat our protein just like the other guy.

[Smiley]

I'm about to try two different approaches with EQ over the comming months I'm going to run it with a little test on a very serious cutting cycle and run some masteron at the end to sort out any estro side effects and water. Then later when I'm ready I'm going to run it with a little more test on a bulking cycle, I will share my thoughts on it then. I haven't used any at all yet so it should be an interesting time.

[johnanthonyhome]

Originally Posted by access

Yeah Eq is somewhat like a weaker version of test. Like I mentioned before chemically they are very similar in nature so you should see some similar gains but the gains with Eq generally will take a little longer and this is why is a good idea to run Eq out to 14-16 weeks to maximize those gains.

What I'm suggesting here is that estrogen to a certain degree is a must for awesome bulk gains. And with the exception of anadrol, This is why all testosterone/dht like steroids that dont aromatise well arent best for bulking(primo,eq, even shorter estered test, anavar) wheras progesterones do quite well, Being that they act like test-est to begin with(tren/deca). Maybe these guys that are running these EQ cycles are going with long estered test, thus further delaying the gains, but man when it hits it hits. I guess thats why its so important to cover diferent familys of aas when building cycles. For instance prop-deca-eq. Now there youd have a nice start, and a clean finish.

[johnanthonyhome]

Originally Posted by Floridagrowin

Haz, great post. I think anytime you or anyone else here post their experience or opinion it influences others view or lack of view on the subject. I believe this is why most if not everyone comes here. It stimulates conversation and debate. I find personal experience to be as beneficial as any study. I happen to like eq for but totally agree there is probably another aas out there that will accomplish the same thing. Maybe I'm strange but I don't like to put on too much at one time (the slow gain theory). I have my own reasons for this and being so I use compounds that accomplish my goals. I like tren because I have found gains to be very keepable and I like eq for the same reason although they work differently. The key is to absorb as much knowledge as you can from what you read then experiment to find what works best for you. Obviously we need to take a common sense aproach while doing so.

My approach is diferent. For bulk use aas. For strength gains LIFT CLEAN. I just cant maintain natural bulk that my strength cannot justify.So yes, take it easy pct, but then its go gung ho in the gym natural, till the next cycle. THis will also do good for increasing AR's. -but i do see your point. It's the allen greenspan approach.

[babybull34]

I am also another individual whom does not respond well to EQ. I've tried it numerous times for both bulking and cutting, in doses up to 1g a week. After numerous personal trial and errors with this substance, I have to say I am unimpressed. My natural biochemistry just does not respond to this chem. I personal have found my time, energy, and most importantly money was better spent on other compounds. I see both sides of the issue in debate, but have to side with Haz. I feel there are numerous other compounds that will elicit the desired effects of EQ with more prominence and retention. Just my opinion and personal experience, but I for one pass on EQ now. For those of you who have great gains with it, consider yourself lucky.