steroid effectiveness chart

[crau85]

i was looking over this chart on the supersite. i found it interesting that testosterone scores low in keepable gains, cypionate scoring 1 star and prop having no stars. even sustanon only scores a 2 star, while deca scores 4 stars and eq scores 3 stars. my question is how keepable are the gains made on test c and prop from personal experiences. here is where the chart is located: Steroid Effectiveness Chart

[willy222]

its about PCT and diet

[Floridagrowin]

The steroids just help you get to where you want to be. Once you are there it still takes a lot of work to keep you there. Nothing really changes. If you start slacking on diet and training, your gains will slip away. They will deminish to a point anyway but it all depends on how hard you work at it as to how long you keep them.

[crau85]

i have slacked on diet and training for a couple weeks. my natural gains always come back as soon as i readjust and get disciplined again. are you saying it is different with gains made on steroids?

[Floridagrowin]

Well obviously you will gain quicker while on cycle and your gains are generally greater than your genetic potential would allow. So I think if you slack and lose your gains after cycle then it will take steroids to get you back to that level again.

[crau85]

i often hear people say that test in a first cycle usually produces very good, keepable gains. its common to hear "i gained 25 lbs, kept 20 after pct" will the first cycle produce gains you can keep forever if you have not actually maxed out your genetic potential.

[Floridagrowin]

It gets back to what Willy said about diet and also about your training. A first cycle of test only can produce that gains you mentioned. It just takes work to keep them but it can be done.

[MrV]

Originally Posted by Floridagrowin

It gets back to what Willy said about diet and also about your training. A first cycle of test only can produce that gains you mentioned. It just takes work to keep them but it can be done.

true true! people quote how they kept their gains after pct while only dropping a few pounds of water, etc.. but it's sometimes 3,4,5,6 months down the road that they wonder why more of the lbs they "kept" are now going away.. alot of the time when people post they gained say 25lbs and kept 20lbs or so, their post follows PCT immediately, weeks or a month after they finished it.. which isn't a great gage to determine whether they really DID keep their gains.. when in actuality a lot of the time, 6 months down the road their diet may have dwindled a bit, mb training got a bit lighter and now they are only up mb 5-10 lbs from where they started.. they just don't post that..

[Smiley]

I think the point there is that Test aromatizes easily and produces some watery gains which will dissapear after cycle. When you compare that to say tren which has very dry gains I think more of what is gained on cycle is kept. Now that doesn't mean more is gained it only means more is kept.

[crau85]

thats what i was thinking smiley but wasnt sure.