Sides and cycle length

[paramuscle]

I got to say that Access makes a solid point guys.............




~PM

[bodyscience]

Originally Posted by access

The points your making BS are mainly concerning someone who abuses steroids. This in no way includes someone who runs a long cycle and appropriate PCT.

I completely agree but I do not think that I wrote something to contradict this.

There are some cycles on isteroids.com, first page, this is what most of us should follow.


Organ failure, I did not wrote that it happens all the time, I have just pointed that there will be some individuals who might have a problem. Like with every medicine you should be careful.

You are saying that if you are on constant high blood pressure for a long time there is nothing to worry about?

I would be interested to hear any arguments (data), I never went too long because of elevated blood pressure and I would not mind to try something more aggressive.

[bodyscience]

People with high blood pressure have elevated blood levels of collagen, a protein, which may help explain why these individuals are at risk for heart failure as well as kidney and other organ failure, according to a study in today's Circulation: Journal of the American Heart Association.

Science Blog -- Controlling Collagen Levels May Be Key To Fighting Organ Failure Caused By High Blood Pressure

[bodyscience]

Andreas Munzer, died of multiple organ failure 12 days after competing in the 1996 Arnold Classic. For years, he had used heavy amounts of steroids and human growth hormones. He admits to using steroids for 18 years and says he suffered serious health problems. He underwent a kidney transplant.

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[hazcat]

Originally Posted by bodyscience

hazecat!

It is not loosing from a normal use but if you are on heavy dose for a long use your blood pressure is very high; this might be one reason of organ failure,

Everybody knows that high blood pressure is not healthy.

You might have bunch of tiny stoke, you do not feel, you do not know that it is there , most likely you will recover and regenerate damaged areas if you take time off.

But if you have bunch of those tiny strokes, you have small area of your organ damaged, one more and another your organ starts to fail etc.

This is how you get organ failure, sometimes very fast, sometimes it takes many years. This is called short life span.

It does not have to be kidney but something else.


Plus you have to realize if you gain for example from 150 lbs to 180lbs, very fast, it is 20% extra body mass, it is a lot of stress on you organs to process blood, proteins, nutrients, etc to tissue, it might in some cases lead to organ failure if you push too fast and too much, one heavy cycle after another with not too much time off. Most people can deal with this with no problems but there are some individuals who cannot.

Anyone that takes AAS without checking their blood pressure regularly deserve what comes to them. All of use not getting your blood work deserve exactly what you get if you have a medical problem. I gotta tell you bodyscience....if you want to challenge my medical knowledge and twist my words you better bone up first because I drop you on your medulla oblongata. None of the post is anything new to anyone at this site I'm certain. Keep it in context or leave my name out of it. Remember I was talking about a healthy individual. That means all the blood, orgains, blood pressure, and YES...they are breathing too. What else do I need to spell out when I put healthy person up there next time. I would hate for you to mistake something I post again. I only explain myself like this once on a site so don't change my words again.

[hazcat]

Now back to the reason for the thread. I've run year round cycles by switching up after 16 weeks and crusing on deca and EQ until I'm ready for another cycle. My blood work comes back on the mark. I even went in the middle of a tren cycle and my bp was the best it had been in years and this was before I was put on bp meds. I do believe that low dose AAS can clean up your LDL, HDL, and cholesterol if you have low natty test. At least it worked for me...a healthy, living, breathing person with a average blood pressure and everything else that is implied when I write healthy.

[bodyscience]

Originally Posted by hazcat

..if you want to challenge my medical knowledge and twist my words you better bone up first because I drop you on your medulla oblongata. .

Is this your sentence "I've never heard of anyone losing a kidney due to steroid use in a healthy individual"

You should not get angry particularly if somebody is taking so much time to point to certain facts, take a look at my links to outside sources and ignore what I wrote.

If you do not care about your health that it is your problem but do not write something you do not know because some moron will take this advice seriously and next day he will be on life support

Science Blog -- Controlling Collagen Levels May Be Key To Fighting Organ Failure Caused By High Blood Pressure

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[access]

Bodyscience you really are being unreasonable here.

To make your points your going to extremes as I mentioned previously. We collectively as mods here would never advocate that for ANY reason to ANYONE. Your absolutely correct about blood pressure and we again collectively as mods are constantly telling users of this forum to monitor their blood pressure on cycle. It is imperative as is a leading side effect of steroid use. We know this, that is why we keep onto users (especially new users) to check their blood pressure. This also goes for blood work etc. We have a duty to ensure we pass along sound knowledge that is unbiased and garnered from personal experience and research.

End of story!

[bodyscience]

Originally Posted by access

Bodyscience you really are being unreasonable here.


End of story!

I agree that sometimes it is getting too far but let's hope for happy ending .

[sicky]

Originally Posted by ViennaOak

For my purposes, 50 lb in 4 weeks... lol... isn't gonna happen because I am going to be eating below maintenance for a show.

You never know. I lost over 30 in 4 weeks....not purposely though . Make your gallbladder stop working and you can achieve the same results .