deca question

[willsouth]

hey guys i don't hear much about anyone using Nandrolone Phenylpropionate. from what i understand it is a shorter acting form of deca, and i can't find much info on it. does anyone have any experience with it? is it as effective as the more common form of deca? how often does it need to be injected? just intrested in it, as i am considering running a short cycle as i am on TRT and having blood work done occasionally, so i am thinking about running a short cycle that is high in mg amount to hopefully put on 10-15 pounds of quality mass until the doc gets me on a set dose. after he chills with the blood panels i'm gonna do me a rather large bulk cycle! can't help it though, i got the itch and i read a little on short cycles, and i'm kinda limited to that route for the time being. anyways any feedback on the nandrolone phenylpropionate?

[Floridagrowin]

I have not used it myself but many here have. Did you try searching it in the forums?
It is a short ester just like test prop and would need to be injected no further apart than EOD. I think combined with test prop it would be a great short cycle.

[willsouth]

even in a short cycle such as 4-6 weeks, would i have to run dostinex since it is deca? didn't know if i'd have to run it since it'd be a short cycle

[hazcat]

It's also known as durabolin. I love the stuff and can't recommend it enough. here's one copy and paste on it.

Substance: nandrolone phenylpropionate

Durabolin is very similar to the popular Deca-Durabolin. Durabolin must be injected frequently and in regular intervals. The substance nandrolone-phenylpropionate quickly gets into the blood, where it remains active for two to three days. Athletes who hope for optimal results inject Durabolin every third day, or even every two days. The dosage is around 50-100 mg per injection, or a total of 150-300 mg/week. Those who have access to the 50 mg version should take advantage of it since it is less expensive than the 25 mg version, which is normally more easily available. in addition, the 1-2 ml injections are more pleasant than the 2-4 ml. Durabolin has a distinct anabolic effect which assists the protein synthesis and allows the protein to be stored in the muscle cell in large amounts. This is combined with a moderate androgenic component which stimulates the athlete's regeneration and helps maintain the muscle mass during a diet. It shows that Durabolin stores much less water in the body than Deca-Durabolin. For this reason, Durabolin is more suitable for a preparation for a competition while Deca should be given preference for the buildup of strength and muscle mass. Durabolin, however, can be used for this purpose as well. The gains are fewer and slower than with Deca but of a higher quality and remain, for the most part, after discontinuing the com-pound. A stack suitable for this purpose would be, e.g. 56 mg Durabolin every 2 days, 50 mg Testosterone Propionate every days, and 20 mg Winstrol tablets every day.

The side effects of Durabolin are few. Water retention, high blood pressure, an el-evated estrogen level, and virilization symptoms occur less often with Durabolin than with Deca-Durabolin. Female athletes therefore take Durabolin in weekly intervals since, due to its short duration of effect, no undesirable concentration of androgen takes place. They achieve good results with 50 mg Durabolin/week, 50 mg Testosterone Propionate every 8 -10 days, and 8-10 mg Winstrol/day, or 10 mg Oxandrolone/day. Three to four day intervals between the relative injections are to be observed. Durabolin is one of the safest non-toxic steroids offering satisfactory results. Durabolin has no negative effect on the liver function so it can even be taken in cases of liver disease. Side effects occur only in rare cases and in persons who are extremely sensitive. Virilization symptoms in women such as huskiness, deep voice, hirsutism, acne, and increased libido are possible but occur only rarely if reasonable dosages are taken at reasonable intervals. Men usually experience no symptoms with Durabolin. Since the release of gonadotropins in the hypophysis is inhibited, there is a chance that the body's own testosterone production in a male athlete will be lower when the compound is taken over a prolonged time and in excessive doses.

[willsouth]

well guys thanks for the input. you may have read that i am going to do a short cycle, because until the doc gets me straightened out, i will be having to do blood panels on occasion. so for a short cycle how does this look:
week 1-4 dbol 40-50mg ED
week 1-6 test prop 100mg eod
week 1-6 deca phenylprionate(spelled wrong) 50-75mg EOD
what kinda weight gain do you think i could experience from this?
and is the dostinex a must since it is such a short cycle?(actually considering doing the T prop and deca prop 5 weeks rather than six?
i plan on taking arimadex, but am a little blurry bout PCT since i am on TRT, and also if i am on T cyp for TRT should i run it with this cycle, or just restart it whenever i get done with the cycle?
thanks for all the helpful info thus far, i know you guys know you're shit especially about this type of thing having to do with TRT. tell me what you think

[sicky]

Originally Posted by willsouth

what kinda weight gain do you think i could experience from this?
and is the dostinex a must since it is such a short cycle?(actually considering doing the T prop and deca prop 5 weeks rather than six?
i plan on taking arimadex, but am a little blurry bout PCT since i am on TRT, and also if i am on T cyp for TRT should i run it with this cycle, or just restart it whenever i get done with the cycle?
thanks for all the helpful info thus far, i know you guys know you're shit especially about this type of thing having to do with TRT. tell me what you think

Too many variables for us to say what kind of weight gain you'd experience. With you being on TRT, you may have an increased level of SHBG which effects the amount of free test available, etc. Also, your stats/genetics depict what you'll gain from a cycle. Last, but most important...diet, training, and rest are the biggest keys.

I would use the Dostinex regardless. It's better to keep prolactin under control rather than trying to fix it later.

Restart your normal Testosterone dosages for TRT following your cycle. Don't worry about PCT.

[willsouth]

so does deca/prolactin cause cause gyno more so than say test aromatizing to estrogen? yeah i guess you're right it's just that dosinex it some expensive stuff. damn i thought the arimadex was high, but i couldn't beleive the dostinex.SGHB? i think thats the 1st time i have heard of that. so let me get this right.... if i am on TRT i do not have to do any PCT whatsoever? and also is i take arimadex EOD it won't help with the deca gyno? just the test gyno correct? yeah i guess it is very difficult to say how much i will gain in weight. is there any evidence supporting that a person won't retain as much weight gained during a short cycle vs a longer cycle?

[sicky]

As far as 19nors and their gyno, aromatization, why use dostinex with them, etc....refer to my post in this thread.

TRT is taking Testosterone injections/cream for the rest of your life. Either way, the idea is to get you near, at, or above "normal" levels of Testosterone artifcially. Since it's artificial, there is no need for PCT. I'm not saying that you should go this route and definitely not without a doctor's advice.

The long cycle vs short cycle thing is always argued among people. Some like a few short cycles per year where as others prefer one long cycle per year.

[sicky]

Just noticed I didn't answer your other question. SHBG = sex hormone binding globulin. It's a carrier protein. Basically, it binds your Testosterone and renders it useless. The longer you stay on a cycle, the more this will build up. Some people will have higher SHBG even not being on a cycle. Many people take Proviron to help with this b/c it's known for having a strong affinity to the SHBG and will free up more Testosterone to be used. Also, Proviron (and other DHT based steroids) are known for causing reductions in circulating SHBG as well.

[hazcat]

I wouldn't screw around trying to slip in a cycle when a doc is attempting to get your trt levels set just right. Just imagine if you come in a little high and he drops your injects down to 1 mg every two weeks. Now that would suck.