who is the president you like the most in US and A?

[Jumbo]

Originally Posted by hanuri

"You know this how? I mean, what's your research tell you or what independent research have you done in order to base your claims that it's definately not the truth? How are we to know. I cannot defend the fact that it is true anymore than you can defend the fact that it isn't. That's not even logical. I'd seriously be willing to entertain a detailed, logical arguement, not an opinion. Ya know."


that´s the problem here brolly.it´s what you believe and or see w your eyes....

I would be in front row if experts of both "sides " would eventually ( people from perhaps this NIST and people from the 911 movement) gather and see how their assumptions or facts would match w science. and then try to outsmart the opposition.



"Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7. The fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. The current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time.
WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse."


Here I have just too much doubts of this fire and it´s severity. In one occasion it was said steel won´t heat more than is the temperature of the fire . In other words the time means nothing here . You heat steel say w 1500 fahrenheits and it won´t get any hotter than that( heat it an hour or 7 hours..).
Now no what could have heated that hot in WTC 7 to cause it come down as the two towers before it? Steel won´t burn. Concrete neither ( expert speaking here again).... the furniture / papers of the offices of fifth floor? Nada . Not enough heat . even diesel can´t add up enough. 7 was evacued and that means firefighters must have searched the place.( I ASSUME firefighters do the evacuation as they try to end the fire ..) One would think if they had seen severe fire there action would be taken IF for some reason they were ordered NOT to do anything other than getting people out of the building. I´ve looked clips for hours and must say what I see and what this theory offers about the fire ( plus ofcourse that UNUSUAL construction of the tower ....well it´s said that construction is even better and more tough , sorry my vocabulary lets me down again, so to say...) eventually bringing the tower down on perfect ( for the third time on that day) line to it´s footprints.
Only coincidentally in again perfectly same way as controlled demolition at it´s best.
THat picture of burning hotel in Madrid - the most part of the tower in red hot flames- and that of only lightly visible fire on WTC 7 and the fact the latter burned ( inferno would be the word ) for 20 hours and did not collapse and 7 went down after 7 hours of black smoke fire ....just don´t mix. as a bonus are the words of the owner of those towers Larry Silverstein http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk ......." they made this decicion to pull it ....." and you know what pull it means in demo slang? Mr Silverstein is either lying ( why ? ) or then those who organized the pulling of that tower were acting like WR time getting the building ready for demolition.
either way another tower is pulverized as it goes down


If it looks like a duck , talk like a duck and walks like a duck what is it? I watch all these WTC towers collapsing in just the same way I see in vids of controlled demolitions and all I can think is they ARE the same...... sad but so I see it. hopefully we´ll see that "fight " on theories in the future I talked about at the beginning.

silverstein bought a lease on WTC in spring of 01, worked out an insurance policy for acts of terror throughout the summer of 01, and profited $6,985,000,000 from this "ACT" of terror from 9/11/....01. All in the same year.......interesting. Unless he footed the bill on the job, deduct the cost of the job, and he's probably still ahead 6.9 billion plus. There's alot of other interesting things to consider if you click on the link and watch the video. Aside from the fact that the commission report sounds more like a far fetched theory in the collapse of the buildings so perfectly then does the demolition theory.

[Lowpro]

I have a handfull of videos that debunk videos that you base your thoughts on. And vice-versa. Get my meaning? Videos don't make it true - for both sides.


Before I leave this thread:

If it looks like a conspiracy theory, walks like a conspiracy theory and sounds like a conspiracy theory......



Sorry, couldn't help it. I'm done now. Enjoy your debate.

[Mr.X]

http://www.net-games.biz/funny-videos/1054.html

[hanuri]

Originally Posted by Lowpro

I have a handfull of videos that debunk videos that you base your thoughts on. And vice-versa. Get my meaning? Videos don't make it true - for both sides.


Before I leave this thread:

If it looks like a conspiracy theory, walks like a conspiracy theory and sounds like a conspiracy theory......



Sorry, couldn't help it. I'm done now. Enjoy your debate.

have a nice day you too!:bigsmile I thank u for your thoughts . My stand is not made of stone either. At this point I see no reason for thinking other way , but if those things I doubt turns out to be within reasonable explanation .... then I´ll have to reconsider. Hopefully future will tell......

[hanuri]

Satan there´s still room for you ......and anyone else ofcourse.

[canadianhitman]

I'm a Canadian, but I was a big Ronald Reagan fan. The man knew how to deal with terrorists; when Libya got out of control under Quaddaffi, Ron ordered an airstrike on his house...and killed two of his kids! That sure got his attention, and Libya suddenly got very quiet on the terrorist front.

Ronald Reagan also brilliantly sucked the Soviet Union into an arms race that bankrupted them, causing their eventual collapse and the end of the cold war. Who could ever forget Ron saying "Mr. Gorbachev, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!"

That guy kicked ass....need another like him in these trying times.

[hanuri]

I remember that saying "Mr Gorbatchev....." in the league w JFK`s "Ich bin ein Berliner " in front of that stupid Berlin wall.

[hanuri]

just came across w this clip( of 911) purely accidentally. Here some EXPERTS on the field discuss about the findings of NIST and how they feel about those results . They speak of the same language I personally do ; why people of NIST can´t speak about the guestions these two gentlemen arise ? I feel the same as they do .

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1c...eport-debunked

you be the judge.