F*ck me....Romney quit

[hanuri]

Originally Posted by Ironmako

C'mon now, please be serious. Michael Moore is a propogandist with no credibility, and I don't consider movies as evidence.

Evidence has to be tangible and concrete, something that can independently verified.

I ´m not saying he offers the ultimate truth or he´s always right. BUT if he claims something on a film that ´s false ......doesn´t he get sued ? haven´t heard that .... so there must be something right as well. his people do some intense research .
besides trying to sell his films I think he wants the people THINK .

[Ironmako]

Originally Posted by hanuri

I ´m not saying he offers the ultimate truth or he´s always right. BUT if he claims something on a film that ´s false ......doesn´t he get sued ? haven´t heard that .... so there must be something right as well. his people do some intense research .
besides trying to sell his films I think he wants the people THINK .

Its the United States we're talking about here. Michael Moore can't be sued for anything he says, true, false, or otherwise. Freedom of speech is guaranteed in our constitution.

Michael Moore doesn't care if people think. He just wants them to believe him. Thats why he's a propogandist.

[hanuri]

lol . propogandist ...... I ´ve heard that about him as well

[hanuri]

Originally Posted by Gator_Mclusky

We all seem to think we know the truth. I wonder what the real truth is? It would be unbelievable to actually know the real answers to these questions.

those who know it are few . and they won´t tell it either. ofcourse there´s the chance many of them are dead.

[hanuri]

Originally Posted by Ironmako

Patriot Act was a mixed bag...some parts of it are good, some parts are at least justifiable (even to those who seriously care about maintaining our liberties) and some parts just flat out cross the line.

Much like the main problem with congressional legislation, it would be nice if we could strike off the parts that are bullshit and keep the parts that are good.

GWB like I said earlier was a disappointment. There are many reasons for this and the regard that Bush is held in over here is a very nuanced issue. Many people are flat out angry with him.

The people on the left have criticisms but their criticisms in large part suffer from irrationality and are illogical. If some of their ideas are extrapolated to their endpoints the US as a nation and society would be unsustainable.

Then there are many on the right that feel flat out betrayed that he hasn't adhered to the conservative principles that the republicans used to be based on.

In environmental speak GWB is a hybrid. He is not a straight conservative, he will adopt certain liberal positions to "buy" votes just like the democrats have done for decades. So IMO he is tainted.

Then people are also frustrated b/c GWB hasn't accomplished much while in office. But on this count he had help. McCain made great efforts to thwart the republicans from doing any good work b/c he wanted revenge against GWB for beating him in the 2000 election, and didn't want GWB to get any credit for doing good work.

GWB was never the best choice for president...but...when we were faced with the even worse candidates from the left by comparison GWB was great.

That however was purely relative.

Sad thing is the choices we face now are even worse. The US is declining very rapidly.

TU . makes one wonder how come there are such bad choices for leaders for such a powerful position ? one does not get much more power in any other job , I think. where are the good leaders ?

[Mr.X]

Originally Posted by Ironmako

Its the United States we're talking about here. Michael Moore can't be sued for anything he says, true, false, or otherwise. Freedom of speech is guaranteed in our constitution.

Michael Moore doesn't care if people think. He just wants them to believe him. Thats why he's a propogandist.

Theoretically, he can be sued for slander IF what he saying can be proven to be a lie and done to muck up the character of a company/individual/product and so on. It's a liability issues... but how likely is it that GWB will sue MM? not very

[Ironmako]

Originally Posted by Mr.X

Theoretically, he can be sued for slander IF what he saying can be proven to be a lie and done to muck up the character of a company/individual/product and so on. It's a liability issues... but how likely is it that GWB will sue MM? not very

But does slander apply to "public personas"? As far as politicians go the US has a long history of political dissidents. I remember seeing a chamber pot at Jamestown with a crude picture of King George carved on the inside.

If it were possible for GWB to sue for having his character impugned I would think he could be the richest man on Earth.

[hanuri]

oh money Bush family already has ..... Saudi money lol

[hanuri]

Originally Posted by Gator_Mclusky

I believe Bush has a soul, is Religious and wouldnt do that. That is such a crazy conspiracy theory that only the crack pots here in the US even mention it. He wouldnt hire some Arabs to kill themselves and our fellow countrymen and women and children for oil. Hell, we're paying $3.00 a gallon....I would think that if it were for oil we'd be getting cheap gas. Our Economy is suffering big time because the price of everything has gone up because of transportation cost.

does this mit engineer sound like eh crack pot? just for food of thought ....

YouTube - MIT Engineer Jeff King Discussing WTC Implosion

[Gator_Mclusky]

Originally Posted by hanuri

does this mit engineer sound like eh crack pot? just for food of thought ....

YouTube - MIT Engineer Jeff King Discussing WTC Implosion

Yep...he's a crack pot prolly making millions off of a book.