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Old 07-12-2008, 02:44 PM
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I see your point.....i think. Iīm neutral , but in my books obama ha an edge foe opposing iraq invasion from the start. not just recently , like Billary or few else. itīs vital to make your own mind , not just follow some hype.
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Old 07-12-2008, 03:01 PM
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These people should NOT have the right to vote, that's right, I said it. Not stereotyping, just the people in this video

YouTube - Barack Obama Supporters Unleashed! (Part 1)

YouTube - Barack Obama Supporters Unleashed! (Part 2)

just now watched them....... a bit too fast and mess for me to get everything said/shouted. now where are pics of che guevara ? marx , lenin ? one might think just about anyone favoring obama is possessed by these figures....judging by this one clip i saw about the "facts" of obama. things might heat guite a bit once the real mud starts to fly between M and O, thatīs sure
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:05 PM
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I see your point.....i think. Iīm neutral , but in my books obama ha an edge foe opposing iraq invasion from the start. not just recently , like Billary or few else. itīs vital to make your own mind , not just follow some hype.
exactly...

The media kills bush's image cause he can't speak well...they'll find something new to make fun of when they find the next shiny object...
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Old 07-12-2008, 05:31 PM
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media is quick ..... however I dislike him for all different reasons than seeing him in trouble asking some question. BUT I think itīs more the people around him that are making the decicions and he gets the load on his shoulders. his time is gone. history will judge him by his actions good or bad
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Old 07-12-2008, 06:57 PM
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media is quick ..... however I dislike him for all different reasons than seeing him in trouble asking some question. BUT I think itīs more the people around him that are making the decicions and he gets the load on his shoulders. his time is gone. history will judge him by his actions good or bad
I agree, i don't think he has had much say in what is happening...he surrounded himself with a smart crowd IMO.
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:20 PM
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I agree, i don't think he has had much say in what is happening...he surrounded himself with a smart crowd IMO.
that smart crowd part I disagree . I donīt like war or chicken hawks , or neocons. I would not be surprised if history shows GWB had very little to do w anything in his terms. that strong inner circle he has had. just my 2 euros
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That doesn't really mean anything, when you have millions of people supporting someone obviously there is going to be stupid ones. You could find plenty of stupid people supporting McCain.

And in polls of highly educated people (Master's degrees and above) Obama is ahead.

And you can't stop someone from voting, because at first you would stop "stupid" people, then you would stop other people from voting based on other stuff (for example giving someone a test that is specifically made to be easier for whites, or changing tests so you give minorities tougher ones) and soon you have a dictatorship. And I really don't trust much that I see on You Tube (remember the cell phones popping popcorn- total fake to make people afraid of their cellphone) we don't know if they told them to say that stuff or if they went to many, many people and only showed the stupid ones. People fall for this stuff because our school system doesn't teach how to use logic (they teach science as facts, not what it is a system of using logic and experimentation to find answers) so they can't even figure out what really might be going on in these videos (again with the popcorn video as an example, if cellphones did that your brain would be frying today, it wouldn't be brain cancer down the road).

The GOP has used a ton of dirty tricks in the past and full out lies (recently blacks in Millwakue got letter from the "Milwake Black Voters League" which didn't exist saying that if anyone in your family had a record including misdemeanors you can't vote, which is an outright lie, in no state does family make you inelgible, and in most states you can vote if your felon, I can vote in my state). Why did they pull that trick? Blacks overwhelmingly support democrats. Same type of stuff happened in Florida in 2000 where the law is you can vote their if you were convicted of a felony in another state, they illegal took these people off the voting registration list as well as blacks who have never been convicted of a felony.

I'm just happy he is ahead and gaining now (there was a news story recently on NPR and the BBC how the media is portraying it as closer than it is to up ratings; he is fairly far ahead, Bush basically ruined the republican party).

The Neo-Cons are a bunch of rich B******s who literally want to take everything from the middle class and poor and give it to themselves. There are conservatives who I feel think they are doing what is best for everybody, but the Neo-Cons only do stuff for themselves.
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Bush is surrounded by a smart crowd, but they only seek to put more money in the hands of the rich and give their multi-millonaire/billonaire friends everything the middle class and poor have. I truly think they only care about the few rich americans. They even call it an ownership society, meaning people owning vast wealth and lording over everyone else.
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:25 PM
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Nick you are the perfect media induced candidate to prove my point in my past posting. Wonder what the next shiny thing it will be?


All love dude...but damn...your views are fawked up.
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Bush is surrounded by a smart crowd, but they only seek to put more money in the hands of the rich and give their multi-millonaire/billonaire friends everything the middle class and poor have. I truly think they only care about the few rich americans. They even call it an ownership society, meaning people owning vast wealth and lording over everyone else.
Broken record and talking point alert!

The crowd that surrounds Dubya are more interested in Pax Americana more than anything else.
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