The West Comes Unraveled

[Rat]

I always find JR's analysis to the point....

W hen a civilization begins to unravel, the first action is always internal. It is hidden, spiritual, and unobserved by the public. Brazilian philosopher Olavo de Carvalho recently pointed out that Western Civilization has produced more “educated” people than we have positions for. In fact, we’ve educated them beyond their intelligence, giving them tools too advanced for their character, putting a simple life of contented drudgery out of their reach. In other words, we’ve mass-produced a horde of impotent wits, angry because their princely education cannot produce for them a princely sum or a kingdom.

When a civilization is far along the path of unraveling, the barbarians sense the Empire’s growing weakness. They gather at the frontiers. They push, threaten and fuss. Earlier this week the president of Russia, having invaded and looted a small country, warned that Russia would crush anyone who got in its way. Menacing language was used with regard to Poland and Ukraine. In response to this NATO was split. Some member states were unwilling to hold Russia accountable because Russia supplies them with natural gas and oil.

It’s funny how things play out. The price of oil should start rising again. There is a leaky pipeline in the North Sea, and the world’s second-largest pipeline has been damaged in Georgia. Funny thing, too, and most will think it a coincidence; but a Ukrainian patriot recently explained to me that energy prices bottomed out just before the Chernobyl reactor blew up in April 1986, releasing a radioactive cloud that blew across Europe. People who’ve experienced such an event aren’t eager to build nuclear power plants. What better advertisement could there have been for Russian natural gas? And now Europe depends on Russian gas.

The West is ideologically divided. Too many of us believe the Russian lies. We believe, in our simplistic way, that tiny Georgia provoked mighty Russia. We haven’t bothered to find out what actually happened. Here are just a few indications that Moscow planned everything in advance: (1) Last month the Russian army practiced invading a small country; (2) Russia recalled its ambassadors to Moscow for a meeting on July 15 to discuss a new foreign policy concept connected to the necessity of “defending” Russian speaking people in unnamed other countries; (3) Moscow’s South Ossetian proxy evacuated ethnic woman and children before beginning an intense bombardment of Georgian villages; (4) The South Ossetian artillery opened fire at 11 pm, while the Georgian artillery didn’t return fire until 12:30 am; (5) Russian mechanized columns were actually moving into Georgia prior to Georgia’s push into South Ossetia on 8 August ; (6) The Russians were mobilizing ships in the Black Sea weeks before the supposed “Georgian aggression”; (7) Georgian internet sites came under intensive Russian attack in advance of military operations.

Regarding this last point, the New York Times published an article by John Markoff titled Before the Gunfire, Cyberattacks. According to Markoff, “Weeks before bombs started falling on Georgia” someone was attacking Georgian Web servers. Of special interest, there was “a stream of data directed at Georgian government sites containing the message: ‘win+love+in+Rusia.’” Later attacks brought images of Adolf Hitler set next to images of Georgian President Saakashvili, to the Web site of the Georgian parliament. Moscow’s attacks on Georgian government sites began “as early as July 20, with coordinated barrages of millions of requests … that overloaded and effectively shut down Georgian servers.”

Do you still think Georgia started the war?

As incredible as it sounds, the Russian disinformation specialists want you to believe Dick Cheney started the war. On Aug. 14 Russian television served up a poisonous dosage from Dr. Sergei Markov, a senior political scientist at the Kremlin. According to Markov, Dick Cheney wants to help John McCain win the election in November. To this end Cheney is attempting to start a new Cold War with Russia. Given a Cold War atmosphere, McCain would defeat Obama at the polls. Markov further claimed that the U.S. was engineering an armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia.

While the Russians burn and pillage Georgian towns and villages, strangling Georgia’s economy to the point of collapse, the free world dithers. As one American analyst bitterly remarked, “The Europeans have telegraphed their total capitulation to Russia, and Moscow knows it. The Kremlin has looked into the soul of Europe and found – there is none.”

According to the New York Times, the White House suddenly finds the Russian leadership “deceptive and evasive.” Where have these people been during the past nine decades? When has the Kremlin been anything but “deceptive and evasive”? Nothing is more exasperating than the recent comments of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who was “not predicting a return to the Cold War.” But the Cold War never ended, Mr. Gates! The Russian side merely repeated the Soviet experiment of Lenin’s New Economic Policy. What Moscow did in the 1920s was accomplished on a larger scale in the 1990s. Do these America Sovietologists have any common sense whatsoever, or has the economic requirements of our commercial culture so overwhelmed strategic common sense that recognizing one’s enemy has become impossible for them?

According to Gates, “My view is that the Russians [are] … interested in reasserting Russia’s … great power or superpower status … in Russia’s traditional spheres of influence.” A correction is required at this point. The Russians are interested in the destruction of the United States.

It is time to understand what we are dealing with.

[hanuri]

while russia is all bad , i still don´t buy georgia is innocent stuff...... they have innocent blood in their hands too. russia just went on and ain´t gonna come back. poor georgians , when they voted sakaasvil as their prez...

[Rat]

You know the russians as well as I do, if not better, Hanuri.....

They're not above setting the whole thing up...

The bear has come out of hibernation.....

As I've warned you.... I smell war coming...

[access]

Very interesting perspective Rat.

Smells to me of a lot of truth behind it. Those damn Russkies just can't be trusted.

[Rat]

I fought the communists from the mid 70s till the early 90s... then was told that they had gone away.... no need for you anymore....


But I always knew it was a lie......

[Surveyor]

I wish that my gut instinct didn't tell me you were right...

[hanuri]

Originally Posted by Rat

You know the russians as well as I do, if not better, Hanuri.....

They're not above setting the whole thing up...

The bear has come out of hibernation.....

As I've warned you.... I smell war coming...

bet you are a step ahead rodent friend. I never had to fight them ......this is a total fiasco for a. georgian civilians and b. western world( nato, israel - ok it´s ME- , US ) . russians made a trap to all of them and they fell right in. if anyone of the forementioned blaims russia , they simply hit back . israel for invading land that does not belong to them dacdes ago and US for attacking iraq. nato is so strongly US lead it´s not a factor in this case . UN ....forget it. funny thing is EU is said to be the only factor (according european experts) who can have any effect to russia.
war is a possibility , yes . those radar shiat in chech reb and missile shield to be positioned in poland do not make things easier . both are direct threats to russia and will not be taken lightly. almost as stupid thing to do than attacking iran .

[Adam F]

Originally Posted by Rat

You know the russians as well as I do, if not better, Hanuri.....

They're not above setting the whole thing up...

The bear has come out of hibernation.....

As I've warned you.... I smell war coming...

I guess where breathing out the same nose because that is how I feel.

[johnanthonyhome]

Originally Posted by hanuri

bet you are a step ahead rodent friend. I never had to fight them ......this is a total fiasco for a. georgian civilians and b. western world( nato, israel - ok it´s ME- , US ) . russians made a trap to all of them and they fell right in. if anyone of the forementioned blaims russia , they simply hit back . israel for invading land that does not belong to them dacdes ago and US for attacking iraq. nato is so strongly US lead it´s not a factor in this case . UN ....forget it. funny thing is EU is said to be the only factor (according european experts) who can have any effect to russia.
war is a possibility , yes . those radar shiat in chech reb and missile shield to be positioned in poland do not make things easier . both are direct threats to russia and will not be taken lightly. almost as stupid thing to do than attacking iran .

Fiasco? War, pestilence, famine, and disaster is the norm for 90% of the worlds population. Always has been, always will be. What our upitty western european white asses think, say, or do, ain't gonna amount to jack shit.

[hanuri]

Originally Posted by johnanthonyhome

Fiasco? War, pestilence, famine, and disaster is the norm for 90% of the worlds population. Always has been, always will be. What our upitty western european white asses think, say, or do, ain't gonna amount to jack shit.

not getting my point , although can´t deny you have a point