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Old 05-22-2003, 03:28 AM
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Default Struggling with fat loss

Allright i have been on a low carn diet under 20 per day every day and I have now plateaued. I am not loseing any more. It has been 22 days since I lost any weight on the scale and my pants don't feel any looser either. What is up? I am doing the cardio mornings/empty stomach. Using a E/C/A stack. I am really getting pissed. I feel like I am wasting my time. How can I be in ketosis, workout and cardio, be cutting my calories a bit below maintenance and NOT be dropping any descent amount of bodyfat? I just don't get it. I have to be using FAT for fuel right? I using alot of Flax and Borage and Olive oils and drinking alot of Whey shakes with it. But I am confused because I was under the assumption that I have to be burning FAT for energy in the state I am in but it is not translating scale wise or mirror wise or clothes wise. I am really pissed.

I also checked my thyroid before I started by taking my morning body temperature before I get out of bed and it wasn't unususally low. 97.7 which might be a little low, but shouldn't be the problem. Any ideas before I run and get an IV of DNP/ClEN/CYTOMEL. I am almost at that point. Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad
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Old 05-22-2003, 03:46 AM
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Allright i have been on a low carn diet under 20 per day every day and I have now plateaued. I am not loseing any more. It has been 22 days since I lost any weight on the scale and my pants don't feel any looser either. What is up? I am doing the cardio mornings/empty stomach. Using a E/C/A stack. I am really getting pissed. I feel like I am wasting my time. How can I be in ketosis, workout and cardio, be cutting my calories a bit below maintenance and NOT be dropping any descent amount of bodyfat? I just don't get it. I have to be using FAT for fuel right? I using alot of Flax and Borage and Olive oils and drinking alot of Whey shakes with it. But I am confused because I was under the assumption that I have to be burning FAT for energy in the state I am in but it is not translating scale wise or mirror wise or clothes wise. I am really pissed.

I also checked my thyroid before I started by taking my morning body temperature before I get out of bed and it wasn't unususally low. 97.7 which might be a little low, but shouldn't be the problem. Any ideas before I run and get an IV of DNP/ClEN/CYTOMEL. I am almost at that point. Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad[/quote]


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Old 05-22-2003, 03:53 AM
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Allright i have been on a low carn diet under 20 per day every day and I have now plateaued. I am not loseing any more. It has been 22 days since I lost any weight on the scale and my pants don't feel any looser either. What is up? I am doing the cardio mornings/empty stomach. Using a E/C/A stack. I am really getting pissed. I feel like I am wasting my time. How can I be in ketosis, workout and cardio, be cutting my calories a bit below maintenance and NOT be dropping any descent amount of bodyfat? I just don't get it. I have to be using FAT for fuel right? I using alot of Flax and Borage and Olive oils and drinking alot of Whey shakes with it. But I am confused because I was under the assumption that I have to be burning FAT for energy in the state I am in but it is not translating scale wise or mirror wise or clothes wise. I am really pissed.

I also checked my thyroid before I started by taking my morning body temperature before I get out of bed and it wasn't unususally low. 97.7 which might be a little low, but shouldn't be the problem. Any ideas before I run and get an IV of DNP/ClEN/CYTOMEL. I am almost at that point. Mad Mad Mad Mad Mad[/quote]
flax seed oil is fat..20 grams of carbs a day if im reading this correct?..you are using muscle for fuel..whats your stats?..need to up the carbs, fuel yoursef before the cardio..empty stomach means always its gonna attack the muscle tissue for fuel before fat..body stores fat for energy yes but if your carrying any sizxable amount of muscle then it goes first..put your body in a state where it thinks your in a starvation mode then it will consume m fiber first and save the fat to feed off of similar to a bear getting fat as hell before hibernating..fat for fuel while at rest for warmth not for the hunt which muscle is used for..show me a bear nearing hibernation that isnt eating everything in sight to gain the fat..haa..he isnt worried about muscle tissue or maintaining it cause there is no need once asleep..seems to me you need to cardio after a good medium carb source, try a clen/cytomel stack, eat pure low carbed throughout the day, LIFT, and cut out carbs (not completely but to minimal) 2-4 hours prior to sleep..dnp is just a waste..


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Old 05-22-2003, 04:12 AM
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The I V of DNP/Clen/CYTOMEL was just a joke I thought I put JK in there. Anyways I thought the best way to burn fat was cardio on an empty stomach 1st thing in the morning.
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Old 05-22-2003, 04:13 AM
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My stats are 5'9 200 15 % BF
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Old 05-22-2003, 08:32 PM
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I have been doing cardio on a empty tank in the morning also... Try to add 2g of L-Caritine, it is suposse to make fat come to burn for energy... Keep cardio at a low intesity and don't overdo it... I do 45min at like 4 speed on the treadmill... My H/R stays between 130-140..... Use the carbs in you post drink and meals......

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Old 05-22-2003, 08:47 PM
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I guess I have to get some T3 but I am still confused about why I am not dropping any more FAT. I have always had problems dropping BF. I don't get that fat even if I eat junk food all the time but it seems that I can't lose it. Pissed Mad Mad Mad
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Old 05-22-2003, 09:44 PM
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Default Here's the real question you must ask yourself...

Are you doing a low-carb diet? Or a high-fat diet?

There is a huge difference, doing a low-carb diet without ample fat will be extremely catabolic.

You need to have sufficient fat in your diet!

You need to have at least a 1:1 ratio of fat to protein, if not more fat.

Taking a few tablespoons of flax oil a day will not work...

A typical CKD is 70% fat and 30% protein at 11x your bodyweight...so 200lbs * 11 = 2200.

You will need to consume around 171 grams of fat/day and 165 grams of protein/day.

Are you really doing that?

Are you consuming enough calories on the Carb-up day?

For example on a carb-up day for me, I consume 20 bowls of oatmeal...yes, I said 20. Not including protein...

Are you tracking every piece of food that enters your mouth? Seriously, though I've put a few people on a CKD given them the plan and they almost consistantly don't consume enough fat and don't carb up properly.

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Old 05-23-2003, 12:33 AM
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Thanks Hermiti for the feedback But YES I believe I am and also using 2 grams of Carnitine a day also. Here is an example of today's food intake.

Morning 6 eggs w/4 slices bacon 4 sausage
10:30 38 gram Desinger whey shake 3 tbsp Flax
1:30 1 can of tuna w/ mayo 4 asparagus
4 38 gram Designer 2 tbsp flax 1 Olive oil
7 Steak w/spinach and butter
10:30 38 gram shake 2 tbsp flax 1 borage
1 serving of Phylum Husks (fiber)

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** Have not done a carb up yet maybe that is what I need because I have been too concerned about losing a few days of potential BF by getting out of Ketosis. My sticks turn a light pink which I thought meant was good because I am using ketones for fuel. Rarely but once in a while at night they turn darker pink light purple. I believe I am following things correctly but it just doen't make sense to me. Maybe I need to shock myself with a carb up what do you think? I have some Glucorell to add to my carb up when I do it but again I have been waiting to drop some significant fat before I do the carb up, which doesn't seem to be happening. Mad Mad Mad
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Old 05-23-2003, 06:38 AM
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Thanks Hermiti for the feedback But YES I believe I am and also using 2 grams of Carnitine a day also. Here is an example of today's food intake.
here's a cal breakdown for you

Morning 6 eggs w/4 slices bacon 4 sausage
900cal
10:30 38 gram Desinger whey shake 3 tbsp Flax490cal
1:30 1 can of tuna w/ mayo 4 asparagus
450-500cal
4 38 gram Designer 2 tbsp flax 1 Olive oil490cal
7 Steak w/spinach and butter
450cal
10:30 38 gram shake 2 tbsp flax 1 borage
1 serving of Phylum Husks (fiber)
400cal

TOTAL CALORIES: 3230 -ballpark- more or less...ANSWER to why you're not losing fat: you're eating WAY too much...
too much protein/too many cal, which is self explanitory of why you're not losing bodyfat


a carb-up is not your problem...lower your caloric intake to bodyweight x 11-12, get 65%fat/35%protein, see if that works for you

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