Mr X - I'd like your thoughts on this bulking diet

[jjfigure]

I'm very intrigued by this bulking diet; Jon Bailey wrote this years ago (was posted in one of Dan Duchaine's publications) and it was currently posted on a couple boards. I've been bulking on the same foods I cut on, and I'm looking for a change so I can survive my cutting phase. I would need to cut down the quantities to 2 fruits and 2 proteins/meal since the posted diet has way too many kcalories for me (unless I cut the quantities down). I'd probably throw in a veggie as well.

Jon Bailey is the best-known bodybuilding nutritionist in Southern California. He has the reputation of getting even hard gainers to put on quality size. He has worked with some very well known national caliber bodybuilders, although you won’t find them talking about their secret nutritionist. Jon, in this chapter, gives you an introduction to his methods, which, when followed, can work very well. Average gains on Jon’s diet are about 30 pounds of mostly solid muscle in two months time!



Of all the problems that any bodybuilder faces, choosing or designing an ultimate nutritional program is probably the most difficult. This holds true for the most advanced bodybuilder as well as the beginner. A large part of this dilemma is due to the hundreds of articles written on this particular subject. There are many ideas discussed by various so called nutritional experts, often contradicting each other. So, how do you choose which system is right for you? One thing I want you to keep in mind is that anyone writing on bodybuilding nutrition, including myself, has no idea who is reading the material. I cannot write a definite diet because I don’t know it the person reading this is male or female, fifteen years old or fifty, one hundred or three hundred pounds. No single nutritional program will be applicable to everyone. For optimal results, each diet should be done on an individual basis depending on the person’s goals, age, sex, size, training experience, etc. With this disclaimer, I will outline my basic nutritional program format, which, although not ‘line tuned” will be of great benefit to all of you.

Over the last twenty years, I’ve spent thousands of hours trying to develop the most efficient diets for all phases of bodybuilding. This includes diets for beginners, intermediates, and the most advanced, gaining diets (bulking), hardening diets, and cutting diets. In the last twenty years, I’ve written over three thousand diets, mostly for bodybuilders in the Southern California area. I’ve tried virtually every combination possible. This includes high protein/low carbohydrate, zero fat, high complex carbohydrate/moderate protein, low protein/high simple carbohydrate, ad infinitum. You name a combination of foods and I’ve tried it. So, I’ll save you a lot of time by telling you that I know from experience with many bodybuilders what works and what doesn’t. The system that evolved from all this experimentation is the system that I presently use and is the one I consider the most efficient.

There are several essential factors you must keep in mind while you design a high efficiency bodybuilding diet. Coordinate your entire program in accordance with what your goals are. Anabolic steroids, diet and your training program should all work together. You must also consider your job and your financial status. Those bodybuilders who failed on my system did so usually because they did not realistically assess the time and money needed for the system to work. Maybe they had a job that didn’t allow them to eat frequently, so they skipped meals, or they could only commit half the money actually needed for the grocery bill each week. My system does not fail; it is the user which fails to follow the system.

The factors of diet, pharmaceuticals, and training all make up a synergistic system. For example, certain foods work better with certain anabolic steroids and should be taken into consideration. The nutritional program should be progressive. It’s best to do the program in stages because as you grow, your system adjusts; the body will be able to utilize more nutrients. I believe that food combining is a most important factor in the design of a diet. Since you will be eating several meals a day, it is best to combine foods properly so that each meal is digested quickly and efficiently. You don’t want to ingest your second (or third) meal before gastric emptying of the previous meal. As to the actual diet, I prefer the following guidelines:

· In most cases, 5 to 7 meals per day, depending on the individual’s size, goals, and training experience
· A high protein, high carbohydrate diet
· A simple isolated complex carbohydrate diet

Most of your meals should consist of simple carbohydrates (monosaccharides). I like using at least three different sources of fruits and fruit juices that are digested and absorbed at different rates. This allows your blood sugar to rise gradually then stabilize. Protein foods should also be mixed so they are assimilated at different rates. This enables your system to utilize more nutrients as the protein is metered gradually into the intestinal tract. Also, if high quality protein foods are used, this will give a more efficient mixture of amino acids. It is best to keep your large complex carbohydrate (polysaccharide) meal isolated. If you mix a large amount of complex carbs with a large amount of hard to digest protein foods, the combination will take too long to digest. Also, keep your intake of milk products low as they tend to form too much mucus, clogging your system. Fiber intake should be high to keep your intestinal tract clean, allowing more nutrients to be absorbed.

It is a good practice to get various types of bulk and fiber. Coarse fiber can be found in the skins of fruit and leafy green vegetables. Medium fiber can be added with grain products or pineapple. I use bananas as a good source of fine fiber.

I try to keep fats very low in this system as they are hard to digest and slow absorption down. I am not too concerned with precise ratios of saturated and unsaturated fats. It is very hard to keep saturated fats low unless you are a vegetarian.

I’m going to give you an example of a typical bodybuilding diet. This would be for an intermediate bodybuilder who is trying to pain muscular bodyweight and who is not already over 12% body fat. Exact amounts are not given since they vary so much from individual to individual. Normally when I design a nutritional program for a client, exact amounts are given.

Meal #1 (Breakfast, 15 to 20 minutes after awakening)

Fresh raw apple or pear, with skin
Fresh banana
Raisins or other dried fruit
Whole eggs, any style except fried or raw
Turkey or chicken breast
Roundsteak or extra lean ground beef, baked or broiled
Fruit juice
Supplements

Meal #2 (approximately 3 hours after meal #1)

Fresh raw pineapple
Dried apple or apricot
Whole eggs, any style except fried or raw
Any low f at fish, baked or broiled
Fruit juice with a protein powder mixed in Supplements

Meal #3 (Lunch, 1 1/2 hours after meal #2)

Small green salad; safflower oil and vinegar dressing
Banana or other easily digested fruit
Turkey or chicken breast
Any lean red meat, baked or broiled
Mineral or bottled water
Supplements

Meal #4 (3-3 1/2 hours after #3; a pre-workout meal)

Banana or other easily digested fruit
Raisins or other dried fruit
Small amount of easily digested protein; poultry or fish
Ultimate Orange drink

Meal #5 (Post workout meal, complex carbohydrate meal)

Portion of green vegetable
Vegetable or vegetable beef soup
Baked potato or pasta
Brown rice or corn
Whole wheat bread
Vegetable juice cocktail
Supplements

Meal #6 (1 to 2 hours before bed)

Whole eggs, any style except fried or raw
Small amount of cottage cheese or yogurt
Fresh raw apple or pear with skin
Roundsteak or extra lean ground beef, baked or broiled
Fruit juice
Supplements


This type of nutritional program will accomplish many things. It will keep the individual’s metabolic rate high; his system will remain clean and efficient and a positive nitrogen balance will be maintained. A program like this with proper supplements will cover all the bases, nutritionally speaking.

I believe strongly in supplementation. The more food you ingest, the more supplements your body will need. Of particular importance are water soluble vitamins as high fiber diets tend to flush these vitamins through the system. Also, a multi-mineral supplement should be taken. It is a good idea to read up on all vitamins and minerals so that you are familiar with their functions. An easy way to do this is with a Nutritional Almanac. It will give you a sound and basic understanding of all the nutrients and how they work together, but remember that if you are a bodybuilder and training hard you will need considerably higher amounts than the average recommended dosages. I like to get smaller dosages of water soluble vitamins but more often throughout the day. Also, the types of diets I plan require heavy mineral supplementation as dairy products are used sparingly. With large protein meals, it is a good insurance to supplement certain limiting amino acids and free L-Lysine (base).

Like the actual diet, supplementation is dependent, and must be tailored according to what the individual is trying to accomplish. Certain nutrients are more essential in a pre-contest or cutting diet as compared to a bulking diet (and vice-versa).

In conclusion, try to keep your diet individualized and in accordance with your stage of development and training. Keep your program progressive, and if you are on any anabolic steroids, learn what nutrients work best in conjunction with them. A general rule is that most oral steroids work best with a diet high in red meats (water based injectables, too). Most oil-based injectables seem to work better with poultry and eggs, but always keep a good balance in your diet.

[Mr.X]

I think a bulking diet full of fruit and very low on fats is not the best idea. For:
1) fat-starvation, as I call it, can lead to long term fat gain especially when fat is added back to the diet
2) lack of fat intake can be very unhealthy in the short and long term.
3) fruits (fructose) is stored in the liver - once the liver is full (about 150g) then all the fructose is stored as fat - especially with so much fruits and carbs in the diet
4) the meal combinations are not adequate

Overall, I this if one was to cut out the massive amounts of fruits and add more fiber and quality protein and some Omega fats - the diet would be great.

Mr.X

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[hermiti]

What mechanisms are/are not triggered by a reduced fat intake (fat starvation)?

I've read some of the benefits of fat; for example the uncoupling effect of olive oil on protein.

I've heard others claim that all the you are better off just consuming 15+grams of CLA per day.

What do you think Mr. X?

An unrelated question -- how important do you think T3 is to a CKD? Would you personally run a CKD without T3?

I want your book already!

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8D~

[Mr.X]

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Originally posted by hermiti:
What mechanisms are/are not triggered by a reduced fat intake (fat starvation)?

I've read some of the benefits of fat; for example the uncoupling effect of olive oil on protein.

I've heard others claim that all the you are better off just consuming 15+grams of CLA per day.

What do you think Mr. X?

An unrelated question -- how important do you think T3 is to a CKD? Would you personally run a CKD without T3?

I want your book already!

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8D~[/quote]

T3 is a catabolic; CKD is a starvation diet so mixing T3 into a catabolic diet is not smart.

Many benefits of fats; cardiovascular etc...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...fits+omega+fat

Mr.X

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[jjfigure]

Thanks for your reply, Mr X.

What do you think about the concepts of eating proteins that assimilate at different rates in each meal, and not eating protein with a meal comprised of a large amount of complex carbs?

I agree, it is a lot of fruit; I attempted just 2 fruits a meal, and my system pretty much said that wasn't going to work. I've been rotating meals - pro/fat, pro/carb, using some fruit and some veggies as my carb sources except post workout. Post workout I drink 25 grams of pro, wait 30 min or so and have a meal with complex carbs only.

I have to admit, it's nice to be eating fruit again; I had only been eating 1 apple a day; eating a banana and a few raisins/dried apricots in addition to the apple has been a nice change.

[Mr.X]

what do you think about the concepts of eating proteins that assimilate at different rates in each meal, and not eating protein with a meal comprised of a large amount of complex carbs?
I don't see how that's an innovation by our friend here. Eating large complex carb meals is not good in the first place - carbs are carbs iMO. However, quality proteins and digestion rate are another thing - hard to figure out and prove. I would suggest a blen of fast acting and slow acting proteins in most meal throughout the day - contrary to the theory

Mr.X

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