Where to post question on supplements...?

[Yo Daddy]

I'm trying to figure out where I should post questions about supplements which aren't in the prohormone/gear area. It seems like the chem corner and phys. enhancement forum are for questions about conversions, dosing for gear, etc. If there is a better place, go ahead and redirect this post there, because I'm looking for some answers to my other post:

Originally Posted by devine09

In addition to the last post, I am curious to know if you like the particular stack of Ephedrine (VasaPro - 25 mg), Caffeine (200 mg) [both twice daily] and Yohimbine HCL, including Green Tea Extract, and possibly tyrosine, carnitine and bcaa's would be a "good" or at very least "ok" alternative.

I have read about yohimbine and carnitine/tyrosine, but am not sure about the dosing on these. I saw an article which talked about the potential negative effect of stacking ephedrine with yohimbine, but didn't have any other source to verify/refute the idea. I realize that both ephedrine and yohimbine deal with alpha/beta receptors, but I don't understand how they could negatively effect each other. X, you know anything about this?

About yohimbine, I'm not sure what the major difference is between ingested and topical yohimbine products - like yohimburn. I see the obvious desire to focus on specific areas, thus using topical, but is that all there is? Is topical more effective? Can you do both?

Also, have seen a few posts about leptin, but wasn't sure what was the deal with it. Any good? Similiar to clen?

Will potassium supplements help me as well during a cutting cycle? I was curious, I was reading ORM's post on it and it got me thinking. If so, what would the dosing for something like that be?

About t-3, is guggelsterones the same thing? I have seen in products called "T-3" or something similiar the main active ingredient is guggelsterones. Whats up with this... I've seen products like Lipo-6 and from the media they've been getting (word of mouth), then it must be smokin'. I know it lipo-6 contains gugg and yohimbine hcl, green tea, etc.

I'd love your thoughts on this. Lots of questions... but I'm a newb and I need to learn.

[Mr.X]

will get to it this weekend, sorry for the lateness

[Yo Daddy]

Patience is a virtue... I forgot. Could someone at least give me the thumbs up to buy some tyrosine and carnitine for my cutting cycle? I don't know if this is just hype or if it works. Thanks for the help X. You rock... its worth a K for effort.

[Yo Daddy]

Did X retire? Anyone who has any knowledge of this stuff, feel free to answer. Bueller... bueller... bueller.

Your E/C/Y stack should work well for fat loss. As far as carnitine and tyrosine, I've never seen a positive review on them to make me want to go out and try it. I've also never heard of BCAA's for fat loss, but imo, they should be a staple in any weight training athelete's supplement regimine.

Topical yohimbe gives you site specific results. It mobilizes brown fat and releases it into the blood stream.

For inquiries on potassium supplementation, check out SYL's potassium article. It's definitely a must read.

Guggulsterones and T-3 are not the same thing. T3 is a thyroid hormone, while guggulsterones aid in thyroid function. Guggulsterones would work well in conjunction with your E/C/Y stack for fat loss.

I know I didn't answer all of your questions, but hopefully this will give you a start.

Here's more guggul info. Keep in mind this article is written by Derek Cornelius, owner of Syntrax Innovations, meaning he's going to hype his product a little too...

Yes, of course I'm joking-who in their right mind would seriously talk about something called "Huggulee Guggulee"? What we're actually going to discuss is an herb called Commiphora Mukul, otherwise known as Guggul. Just as this plant has extremely unique and interesting names, so it also has extremely unique and interesting effects on the human body. In fact, Guggul is such a useful herb that when you learn about it you'll never want to poke fun at it again.


Grown in India, Guggul is a tree which exudes a resinous sap out of incisions that are made in its bark. This resin has been used for centuries as part of India's traditional medicine called Ayurveda. In our modern world of advanced chemistry, this resinous sap is processed and purified, and then standardized for a given amount of its active constituents-Z and E Guggulsterones. These two compounds are plant sterols with a high degree of human bioactivity and have been shown in studies to affect many biological processes including thyroid metabolism, cholesterol management, and dermal (skin) function. In each of these areas, Guggulsterones were shown in studies to be highly effective modulators with near drug-like potency.

Bodybuilding, being a sport of aesthetics, is not only concerned about building solid muscle tissue but also reducing the amount of fat deposits. You might weigh 240 pounds and have a tremendous amount of muscular development but if you have two inches of subcutaneous fat all over your body you won't look all that great. You definitely won't be aesthetically pleasing and some people might even call you Doughboy. Well, if you're anything like the Guggul tree you won't want to be called names so you'll work hard at looking your best. Fortunately, in the case of fat loss, Guggul understands your dilemma and is right there to help you meet your goals.

I first became interested in Guggulsterones when I noticed a few studies on their thyroid stimulating properties. I discovered that Guggulsterones have a direct stimulating action on the thyroid gland through some or the other enzymatic mechanisms. One of the studies concluded that Guggulsterones are a viable option for the treatment of hypothyroidal conditions. With this information in hand, I immediately went out and obtained some standardized Guggul from my herbal supplier. This Guggul product was made from a yellowish powder and was claimed to be standardized to 2.5% Guggulsterones. I gave it to various people to test its effects on body temperature and fat loss. To my surprise, no one experienced any type of dramatic results on this product-even at high dosages.

My next step was to study how the Guggul was processed and to make sure I was getting the best material. After much research, I discovered that there are two ways of processing Guggul. One, using a solvent to extract the Guggulsterones, produces a low-potency yellowish powder. The other produces a high-potency coffee looking brown powder and is naturally processed according to ancient Indian practices. The product that I initially obtained was the low-potency, solvent extracted Guggul.

In hopes that there was a difference in effectiveness between the two types of extracts, I decided to obtain the high-potency brown powder. To my utter surprise, I discovered that nearly every product on the market was made from the yellowish, low-potency powder-the coffee looking extract just couldn't be found! In desperation, I decided to do a search in India in hopes of finding the required extract. After much ado, I found the elusive brown Guggul extract and I immediately ordered some for sampling.

This time when I gave it to people to try, something totally different occurred. Instead of having a minimal response, the Guggul extract caused its users to break into a sweat and feel very hot. Upon taking their body temperatures, some of these people noticed a dramatic increase. Amazingly, a few people reported body temperatures as high as 101 degrees.

What does all of this mean? First, only purchase a product that is made with a high potency, natural extract. Not only should the label indicate this fact, but it can be personally verified by opening one of the capsules. The material inside should be dark brown in color and have an odor similar to a mixture of coffee and raisins. Next, the warm/hot feeling, the sweating, and the rise in body temperature that was experienced are indeed a confirmation of Guggulsterone's thyroid stimulating ability. This is good news for those of us trying to lose weight-especially adipose tissue/fat stores.

When the thyroid gland is stimulated, it produces more thyroid hormones such as thyroxin. These thyroid hormones have a profound effect on the rate of metabolism including a direct catabolic effect on adipose tissue. Practically, this means that Guggulsterones will stimulate your thyroid to produce more thyroid hormones which in turn will raise your metabolic rate and burn more fat! Guggulsterones by themselves have been shown to work very well for fat loss but I have found a combination that is nothing short of amazing-Guggulsterones and an ECA stack such as Adipokinetix. We already know that Adipokinetix is an extremely potent fat burner but it does its work outside the realm of the thyroid.

It made sense to me that if one could combine the fat burning effects of the thyroid hormones with that of the adrenergic hormones (e.g. adrenaline) something very dramatic would result. Also, interesting is the fact that ECA type stacks tend to decrease the amount of thyroid hormones circulating in the blood over time. Guggulsterones do a great job of inhibiting this reduction, thus keeping all physiological fat burning systems operating at a maximum level.

The final ways that Guggulsterones can benefit in the fight to burn fat is in ketogenic diets and growth hormone use. Over time, ketogenic diets tend to reduce the thyroid's effectiveness by reducing the conversion of T4 to the more potent T3. Also, where Guggulsterones were taken daily for 3 months, they produced a progressive reduction in lesions in the majority of the patients. With tetracycline, the percentage reduction in the inflammatory lesions was 65.2% as compared to 68% with the Guggulsterones. As you can see, our friend Guggul is extremely potent at fighting acne.

Who can benefit from this? Hmmm!!! Well, as far as I can tell, nearly everyone. There is not a single person I know that would not like a better complexion. This is especially true for those on anabolic/androgenic steroids as these tend to increase the skin's oiliness and potential for acne. Let me guess - nobody is laughing at Mr. Huggulee Guggulee! Indeed, he might have a funny name but in my book he's a hero. Where else can you find a compound that will help you lose fat, improve your cholesterol profile, and at the same time improve your complexion? I've looked long and hard and have yet to find even one competitor.

Oh yeah! Before I forget, the dosage one should take is 30-60mg three times per day with meals.

Always remember though to find a product which contains the high potency naturally extracted Guggul! My final advice then is to go out and find this guy, shake his hand, and then reap the host of benefits that he brings.

[Yo Daddy]

What's the dosage on gugg if taking a ec stack?

I'm still trying to figure if oral yohimbe (or maybe yohimbine hcl would be better) is good to take with ephedrine since they both stimulate the sns. Is it ok to do this? I saw jjfigure's post a while back that said they should be taken 3-4 hours apart. Whats the word on this? Also, is the .2 mg/kg of bodyweight still the dosage to work with?

Also, if I should take the ec and the y 3-4 apart, how long before my cardio do I want each one to be? Should I have the ec closer to the cardio or the yohimbe? From my understanding, the ephedrine and caffeine will stimulate for a longer period of time, and the yohimbe specifically targets the b-AR as well as makes fat burning more efficient during exercise, but not while resting.

Correct any of this if I'm wrong. Thanks.

I would go with either Trex OR an e/c/a stack, not both. Maybe when your bodyfat starts lowering, you could go for some Yohimburn. After thinking it over, ephedrine and yohimbine would place a big strain on your hear and bp. Not worth the risk imo. You'll get great results from the carnivore diet and from sprint intervals as SYL already mentioned. Trex is Yohimbine based, if you didn't know that already.