HCG and IGF-1

[N!MrOd]

with letro working away on my gyno, i think its a good time for me to get me balls back in action.
going down to do 500iu of HCG today.
but will i have time to do a 2nd shot after say 3-4 days as well?
basically i need to know- does HCG interfere with Nolva during PCT?
my PCT starts on June 16. need i put 5-6 clear days between the HCG and nolva?

About IGF-1
guys does anybody know how good the stuff is ?
i went thru all the great info posted elsewhere by mr.x-- i read that IGF-1 kicks the balls into action. but is it better than HCG at doing this?
i'm planning on running it 4 weeks @ 80mcg/day split.
how do i get me hands on the stuff, seeing they dont sell it at the 9-11 ?
do the sponsores have the stuff ? AS din't have it, i looked!

[I am Jack]

One of the sponsers is called IGF King... AG also sells it.

IGF will help with htpa recovery, which will eventually have an effect on your testes, it just takes longer. HCG plumps them within days. Use HCG 500iu/ed until you start pct.

IGF is as similar to hgh as one can get. But, it is better in that it produces immediate results (hgh can takes as long as 6 months), and worse in that your body down-regulates its receptors quickly, so you can't use it every day indefinately.

Your intending to run 80mcg/ed - this is way too much. 30-50mcg should be the most you use, otherwise too much goes systemic and will cause gut growth.

IGF is currently FDA approved and not scheduled. The sponser ag-guys has it, igf-king has it and so do many other online sources. There has been a lot of fake igf around in the past (not igf, but hcg), but with China producing it for dirt cheap, there is less likelihood of getting fakes. Look for media grade, receptor grade is too damn expensive without being that much better.

[N!MrOd]

thanks erok. its been 2 weeks since my last shot. i havent taken any hcg yet.
my PCT gonna start on June 18, so i got 6 days left to go.
so i can do HCG@500iu/day ed till PCT. thats a total of 2500iu spread over 5 days.
sound good erok, bro ?

yes, sounds good. If you are only able to get 2000iu amps, just do five days. No need to waste another amp for a 500iu shot. Its not a wonder drug, but it is a cheap way to help recovery.

[N!MrOd]

kewl bro, i'll do 2000iu @ 500iu/day ed starting today. so thats four days :P
hcg shud finish up on 15th.
that gets me 3 clear days for the hcg to clear out my system.
i start PCT on june 18 with nolva@60/40/40/20 for 4 weeks;
i'll be stopping the letro by june 18 (last dose)
going with aromasin after that till end of PCT.
thanks erok :P

[BACKIN]

I just have to say this so all you guys know it.....which you probably do! The PCT regimens that you follow or give out to less experienced guys to follow is amazing....I really wish I had the knowledge about pct a while back when I was doing cycles you guys know your stuff. I thought I read and learned as much as I could but there is alot of knowledge on this board..........all you young guys and anyone new to cycles pay good attention and follow the great advice given out here. Thumbs up to all you guys!! Jack and X your experience seems to be unmatched I am glad I wandered over here. Thanks for having me.

Its a matter of experience as well as greater availability of better drugs. When I started out, there was really only clomid, nolvadex and adex readily available and everyone was using clomid only for pct. Times change, new research comes out, and it shifted to only nolvadex pct. Now, hcg, Igf and other ai's are coming into focus as beneficial. Soon, it will change even more, as the progression I noted occurred in a course of 5-6 years.

[anthony roberts]

HCG and Nolva are synergistic, actually.

[BACKIN]

IGF-1 can be run with any cycle can't it?
Not just for PCT!