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Old 10-22-2007, 01:03 AM
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Default UFC caught CHEATING in scores!! (DANA WHITE AND JUDGES)

See I was right with this shit, I think UFC is rigged as F***

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I'm going to put this to potty-mouthed UFC president Dana White in terms he can understand: Your sport has a major f---ing problem.

It's the scoring. At best it's a joke. At worst it's corrupt. Those are the choices, and they are the only choices, as we were reminded again Saturday at UFC 77: Hostile Territory.

We have a question for Dana White: WTF? (US Presswire)
We have a question for Dana White: WTF? (US Presswire)
Maybe you don't know what I'm talking about. The latest outrage -- the latest absolute joke -- happened before the UFC 77 card went live on pay-per-view television. It was the first fight, between lightweights Matt Grice and Jason Black, and Grice dominated. He destroyed Black for most of 15 minutes, winning the first and third rounds and controlling most of the second until Black mounted his only offensive late in the round. At worst, Grice won two rounds to one, which on the UFC's 10-point scoring system would be a 29-28 decision. And an argument could be made that it was 30-27.

The fight was announced as a draw. One judge had Grice winning. One had Black winning. The third had it even.

The crowd went nuts. Grice was stunned. Black was embarrassed. The crowd booed for more than a minute, even as UFC announcer Joe Rogan was interviewing Grice over the public-address system (and saying he thought Grice had won). Grice was in the middle of explaining his shock when the frazzled director of the Ohio Athletic Commission, Bernie Profato, lumbered into the octagon and whispered something into Rogan's ear.

This is where a bad situation got ridiculous. Profato was whispering to Rogan that a mistake had been made. Rogan was relaying the information to the crowd. Grice was celebrating. Black was nodding. The crowd was cheering.

Me, I'm steaming.

Because this was bad. This was really bad. Understand what happened, and don't gloss over it. Don't excuse it, as White did afterward.

Here's what happened: After two minutes of outrage, an official scoring decision was reversed right before everyone's eyes. Given UFC judges' history of baffling scoring decisions, it's reasonable to believe the judges honestly called the fight a draw. And that White reacted to the crowd's outrage or his own personal shock and sent word to the judges that their decision was wrong, that one of them needed to change his card so the official outcome could reflect what had actually happened in the octagon.

That's a scary proposition, the UFC manipulating the result of a fight, but the only other alternative is just as frightening:

UFC judges can't add small numbers.

White blamed it on the math.

"They added it up too fast," he said, addressing the issue without one of his signature f-bombs. "They looked at the wrong columns. At least they figured it out. At least they got it straight."

Yes, but only after the crowd went nuts and Grice nearly had a heart attack and Black didn't know what the hell to think. Only after all that, only after several minutes, was the mistake caught.

Sad to say, this problem isn't exclusive to Saturday night. At UFC 63 in September 2006, Jorge Gurgel dominated Danny Abaddi and then literally jerked his head in disbelief when the first judge's card was announced as 29-28 for Abaddi. The UFC later amended that decision, saying the judge meant to score the fight for Gurgel.

Meant to. But didn't. Scary.

This has been going on for years. After his UFC debut in 1999, Jens Pulver had his hand raised in victory. Moments later Pulver's glee became gloom when it was announced that a mistake had been made, that his UFC 22 fight with Alfonso Alcarez had actually been scored a draw. Oops.

Now there's the Grice-Black debacle, which wasn't even the only scoring embarrassment from Saturday night. Here were some others from UFC 77:

• Josh Burkman's victory against Forrest Petz was announced as a majority decision, then changed to reflect that it was actually a split decision. As an added bonus, all three judges originally thought Petz's last name was "Perez." On their cards, "Perez" has been crossed out and replaced by "Petz."

• Stephan Bonnar beat Eric Schafer by technical knockout, but the official ballot originally listed Schafer as the winner. Somehow that mistake -- unlike those involving Grice-Black and Burkman-Petz -- was caught before being announced to the crowd.

• Two official ballots listed the wrong referee. Two had a judge wrong. And one judge thought victorious middleweight Yushin Okami's name was Okami Yushin.

Taken individually, each of those smaller mistakes is a humorous footnote. But taken as a whole? On a night when Matt Grice's demolition of Jason Black was originally announced as a draw? This isn't funny.

This is a problem.

It's a big problem, Dana White. Fix your f---ing sport.
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:10 AM
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What ****ing bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yup your right on that one X. I have seen several fights over the past year that just didnt seem right. Dana might be great at makeing money, but he has no clue how to run his organization. I really wish he never bought prise he cant even run the UFC.
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:13 PM
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double edged sword. either get better judges or stick with the decisions your moron judges make. i've never seen an official ufc score card but all the ones i've scored or been scored on are fairly straight forward like second grade straight forward. you also cant change a decision based on the audience response because sometimes the audience doesn't have a clue whats going on in the cage, a guy could dominate from the bottom for two and half rounds the dude being dominated gets a lucky punch or escapes mount for a hot second gives a crappy push kick then put right back down and half the crowd would give it to that dude. thats why i always like watching fights from japan because they shut up and aren't hammered drunk screaming like retarded chimps
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Old 10-22-2007, 10:03 PM
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I said it many yrs ago that this was the next great sport to be ruined......looks like its in the process.

Maybe thats why I hang on to the good ol days of Tank, Frank and Ken Shamrock, Tito starting out, and Dan Severn just to name a few. Sure they werent as skilled but now everyone trains the same for the most part. At least back then ya could see a "Pit Fighter" against a "Grecko Roman Wrester." or a Ju Jitsu expert against some other pro from a different fighting specialy.

Dana=the bald headed Don King!
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great post. the ufc judges suck. did anyone see michael bisbing VS. matt hammil. hammil clearly won that fight and they gave the decision to bisbing. gee i wonder why they gave him the decision, the guy is fighting in his home town. its obvious that something is going wrong with this sport.
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Old 11-09-2007, 01:35 AM
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I thought the bisbing Vs hammil fight when i saw the title of the thread. He will get owned by Rashad at fight night thought.
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