The First Cycle! ( Possible Log )

[MattyP]

STATS
Age : 20
Weight : 180lbs
Height : 5ft 7.5"
BF% : 11%
Experience : 5.5 yrs lifting non-stop

Hey Guys ! I have to start off by saying this forum is truly amazing and has been my resource for info for the past 2 years. I have all my trust in you guys, you have a lot of experience, and there was no way i was going to begin my cycle before checkin' in with you.
Now, with that said i have been saying no to AAS for the past 2 years, and after much deliberation and research I have come to the conclusion this winter i am going to supplement my bulking cycle with a cycle of AAS. You guys are free to bash me all you want, and i actually take your critisizm to heart however just keep in mind it is quite hypocritical stating 'wait till you reach your full natty potential' as who truy ever does? For those of you who are interested or might find it helpful when assesing my cycle, last June when i cut down i peaked out at 6%BF and weighed in at 164lbs. The guy i am getting my gear from is a highschool friend who i have been training with for almost 2 years and has access to everything so don't be shy in recommending something i have not mentioned. I am being as honest as possible because this is the only way to get true help, and since August i moved back to heavier compound workouts and have been seeing very good muscle gains however while keeping my protein intake high i have been slacking off and consuming a lot of fat and lost my definiton quite quick. I have lot's of questions but lemme show you the cycle i planned out to start in 2 weeks.

Total Cycle 18weeks
TestE 500mg : Weeks 1-12
Dbol : (40mg) Weeks 1-2 (60mg) Weeks 3-4 (back to 40mg) Weeks 5-6
Arimidex 0.5mg : Weeks 1-12 EOD [and more if i feel coming. It might be a lot compared to .25 E3D like some people do but i got a good supply. I won't have Letro on hand but if sides persist i could make a quick call.]
PCT : Weeks 15 - 18
Clomid 1st Day 100mg. Than Week 15 50mg ED. Weeks 16-17 25mg ED. Week 18 25mg EOD
Nolva 1st Day 80mg. Than Week 15 40mg ED. Weeks 16-17 20mg ED. Week 18 10mg ED

Side note for liver support i plan on taking Liv52 and milk thiscle during Weeks 1-12 mainly because taking Dbol bugs me without it

I gotta ask, my goal is obviously bulking up but in the long run im thinking of eventually cutting down this July with alot more lean muscle. If i proceed with the cycle stated above, the end of my PCT would be in April and i would like to know from May to August would i have alot of difficulty keeping my gains while cutting down as a Natty? I don't plan on taking another cycle for Atleast a year and this is if i even find the risk was worth the reward to begin with haha.
Also, i understand one of the main points of having more testosterone is because it is the main factor in protein synthesis, however when i hear of people consuming 3000+cals a day, are you serious? I know my body, and if i consume crazy amount of protein and not watch my fat intake i know for a fact i'll pack ont the fat in no time. I am very disciplined when it comes to diet, (when i want to!) so it's good to know how essential keeping my diet in check will be during my AAS cycle and even after.

So, i think this is the just of it for now, im planning on starting in 2weeks time after my last engineering exam so the feedback will be greatly appreciated and if im doing something wrong PLZ tell me ! If all goes well, im planning on making a log for you guys and hopefully get some pics up haha.

[Bufbiker]

Everything looks fine. Good luck. And remember you food intake will determine the gains you make.

[dannothemanno]

Yeah bro we're serious about eating 3000 cals MINIMUM. You just have to do the cardio to put your metabolism into overdrive so you dont store it as fat, rather you process it as fuel and the building blocks for all that new muscle. If you do run Dbol, just keep it at the same dose thruout, keep your levels stable. You would be better off with Tbol Var or Winny though.......
Your PCT is a dogs breakfast IMO. Why run both clomid and Nolva with no AI and doses all over the place? With this cycle just run Nolva for 5 weeks at 20/20/20/20/10. Run Aromasin at 12.5mg EOD first three weeks of pct, then reduce it to E3D in week 4 , then E4d in week 5.
Personally I think you need to get your diet sorted BEFORE you cycle, otherwise your not going to get the most out of your cycle. Get your 3,000 cals happening and your cardio and make sure your drinking a gallon of water per day.

[MattyP]

Solid advice guys thanks. Looks like i'm gunna have to get back on the cardio hard !

As for running an AI during my PCT, it's funny cause i hear of many people running it and many people who don't. My thoughts were that running an AI during PCT would be pointless cause your Testosterone levels aren't sky high anymore so no more testosterone will aromatize into estrogen. Guess im wrong? Would it be bad to run my Adex right through into my PCT instead ? I understand Aromasin helps get your natural Test levels backup but is it really worth it over Adex in your opinion ?

[jah3855]

First off, i think your dbol is too high. I did 30mg/day for 4 weeks as a kickstart and that was plenty. With dbol, you HAVE to have your calories AND water (important!) jacked WAY UP for at least a week before you start it. It will put a ton of stress on your body and suck you dry of water. I took an asprin each night I was on dbol, as it can raise your blood pressure. I would try 30mg/day for 2 weeks, then up to 40mg if you think you're ok with it. 60mg of dbol is a LOT for a 180lb dude.

For adex, i would do 0.5 every 3 days while on Dbol ... then down to 0.25 every 3 days all the way through to the start of your 3rd week of PCT, then drop the adex. That'll be plenty of adex. YES, you can over-do your AI .. you don't want NO estrogen, you just want to keep it under control.

Your PCT is overkill, you likely won't need clomid at all. Do what danno said 20/20/20/10/10 for nolva.

Milk thistle and Liv52 - - YES - - start 2 weeks before you do you first dbol, and end around the last day of PCT. Nolva is stressful for your liver too.

When you're on the cycle, especially on dbol, you're going to fill up with water no matter how much adex you take. It's part of the game, unavoidable. You HAVE to be eating 3000+ clean calories per day ... can't grow otherwise. Don't get confused and thing your water retention is actually fat building up. You're going to feel like a marshmallow man for a while, it can be uncomfortable and you won't be able to wash your own shoulders or touch the back of your neck. So when you finish up your cycle and start your PCT, that water will begin to drain out ... what is common is to think that that "bloat" is fat, and so you go OMG i have to cut my calories NOW to get ready for summer - - HUGE MISTAKE. You should be pounding food all throughout your PCT just like you're on cycle still. Dial back calories by 500 once your PCT is totally 100% complete and ride that out for a month. Introduce more cardio. You'll lean up REAL QUICK as the Test clears your system, trust me.

My guess is when you get to week 12, you'll be asking around for another bottle of Test - - - have fun, type up a log, and GO !

[MattyP]

WOW, so helpful man seriously.

My diet's been pretty clean, but looks like i'm gunna start going into overdrive and get those calories in as clean as possible. Reason with the high dosage of Dbol was mainly because im getting 200 10mg tabs and i don't really want some extra dbol laying around for temptation of another cycle or what not, but im okay with starting the first 2 weeks with 2tabs in the morning and only 1tab at lunch. Maybe just give the extra dbol to a friend.

I was curious if the nolva was hard on the liver too, thanks for answering that question i'm going to be ordering more asap..

[MattyP]

Just talked to my guy! Picking up the gear this wendsday after my last exam. It's a weird feeling I got, i'm anxious to start because i'm dieing to see some better gains at the gym instead of the regular linear improvement... but i'm also nervous about the water retention of dbol and if it's gunna be hard to shakeoff after.

Funny thing buying my gear, you never really unerstand how much it costs until you add up the costs of everything into one bill, puts it into perspective ! I was in a big debate between acme dbol and lab, said screw it and got the acme 200 10mg tabs that alone was 220,500$. Also ordered my liv52 and milk thiscle online, gotta start that as soon as possible looks like..

Anyways i'll keep you guys updated and letcha know how my first pin goes !

[BushMan]

Good luck with your cycle man! It looks kinda similar to what I'm planning on doing eventually so I'm excited to see how it turns out for you.

[jah3855]

Just talked to my guy! Picking up the gear this wendsday after my last exam. It's a weird feeling I got, i'm anxious to start because i'm dieing to see some better gains at the gym instead of the regular linear improvement... but i'm also nervous about the water retention of dbol and if it's gunna be hard to shakeoff after.

Funny thing buying my gear, you never really unerstand how much it costs until you add up the costs of everything into one bill, puts it into perspective ! I was in a big debate between Head&Shoulders dbol and lab, said screw it and got the viagra 200 10mg tabs that alone was $5.27. Also ordered my liv52 and milk thiscle online, gotta start that as soon as possible looks like..

Anyways i'll keep you guys updated and letcha know how my first pin goes !

The dbol water rentention will diminish within a week or so when you stop taking the Dbol. You COULD do 0.25mg liquidex every day that you're on Dbol if you want. BUT remember that the water retention is actually giving you strength, helping you push and pull. Do 1 pill AM, one pill before breakfast, and one with dinner or before bed. After two weeks if you arent getting too many side effects (headaches, back pumps, dehydration, etc) then you can go for 40mg/day. Like i said, it dries you out FAST and i also go wicked back pumps .. so just take it easy.

I never really understood how "pharma grade" would apply to stuff like dbol .. i mean, what legitimate reason is there for any doctor or pharmacy in the world to prescribe Dbol to someone ? I understand Test and even deca (HIV, etc) ... but dbol, anadrol .. winstrol ??

Type up a cycle log man, it'll help

[MattyP]

Hey guys ! So sorry been so busy with exams, and also preparing for the holidays but i have not forgotten this log hehe. First of all Merry Christmas fellow juicers !

I did my first pin Thursday, @1ml (300mg) of Test E in my right quad. Since thursday, i also started the dbol @40mg a day, 2tabs in the morning and 2tabs in the evening. Planning on starting my adex toomorow on my second pin @.5mg E3D.
I gotta say first and foremost until this morning i've been walkin like Frankenstein! My quads been killing me, sososo sore like as if my muscle had a severe bruise and i was unable to bend it. Besides that, i am drinking over a gallon of water a day and i have been feeling small headaches fromt the dbol and i feel when i consume more water the headaches diminish. It could be noted the day of my pin and my first 2tabs of dbol i had pretty severe diarrhea but that can be nerves...

With the holidays it's been hard to hit the gym hard, my last excercise i did was friday which was shoulders, and besides the fact i was limping around the gym haha it was a regular shoulder workout for me. Shoulder dumbell press maxed out at 70's 5times. Toomorow's monday, and will be my first fresh week while on the AAS and i will be sure to log you guys my workouts and reps. Talk to you soon ! let me know if anything's wrong or if you got any explanation on the soreness. I have done some reading and believe its the BA content in my test as it is lab based but buddies of mine have used it and obtained results from it.