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    Cool Introduce me to insulin please.

    Hello. I started using steroids 10 years ago. I have about 8-9 cycles behind my back. I also ran 3 HGH cycles, each 8 months long. Now I'm 32 years old, 202 lbs and 6% BF. Looking to try something new like insulin and stack it with a highly androgenic aas cycle. I am not afraid to use in big amounts but I've heard each insulin injection requires a proper nutrition intake and I would love to learn more about it. How much IU should I inject, how many times per day and what kind of diet should I go with. I prefer to use humalog since i can get my hands on this one the easiest.

    The cycle I'm going to run simultaneously with the insulin is the following:
    Twelve weeks Long...
    100mg every day Anadrol (10 weeks)
    200mg every day Test P
    300mg every other day Primo Enanthate
    76mg every day Tren Ace (6 weeks)

    PCT is ok I use the same proviron nolva combo each time works ok for me.
    Thanks guys.

    BlackJack Out..

    P.s.
    Please don't abbreviate my name to BJ...

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    Okay, cuz there's too many damn BJ's around here already

    Here's a good post to read:
    http://forums.isteroids.com/668998-post2.html

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    Basic Insulin guide for beginners
    (From Basskiller)
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    If you are a seasoned insulin user, this post is going to be WAY too basic to be of value to you. The purpose of this post is to answer the very basic questions for those completely unfamiliar with insulin and its use in the body and for bodybuilding purposes. -RedBaron

    There are a lot of post about insulin and how it is used for bodybuilding purposes. But more basic than this, I am frequently asked....what exactly is insulin and what is it really doing for my body. Here is just a REALLY basic overview of what insulin is in the most basic of terms.

    What is Insulin for?
    Your body's main source of fuel is a form of sugar called glucose. It gives us energy. After we eat, glucose enters the bloodstream and signals a gland near the stomach, the pancreas, to make insulin.

    Insulin is a chemical that helps cells in your body use glucose. Insulin is the storage hormone, glucose disposal chemical, and the main shuttle of glucose into our muscles and other cells. As cells use glucose for energy, the level of glucose in the bloodstream drops. If there is no insulin or the insulin isn't doing its job too much glucose builds up in the bloodstream. This is the condition (hyperglycemia) you find when you have diabetes.

    Basic Types of Insulin
    There are many different types of prescription insulin. Some are designed to work right away and don't last very long. Other types act more slowly over longer periods of time. Doctors routinely prescribe the type of insulin that matches your body's needs for diabetics. Each case of diabetes is slightly different, and depending on the length of time and severity of the condition, the individual need for insulin and its active window varies greatly. This is why you see so many different brands and types on the market. Depending on the symptoms and condition of the diabetic, the insulin type is tailored to their needs.

    Bodybuilding use of Insulin
    Now let's cut forward to all of us that are NOT diabetic. Our reason for using insulin is to use its inherent shuttling ability to shuttle nutrients to the muscles. For our purpose we are not trying to achieve long term control of glucose buildup in the bloodstream. We are trying to transport supraphysiological amounts of protein and sugars to the muscles for fuel, repair, and growth. For our purposes, we want to use a quick acting, short lasting insulin. Longer lasting insulin will most likely just equate to added fat ... and not provide any additional positive function. We are using this ONLY as a nutrient shuttle ... which is only needed after we have worked out our muscles and torn them down .... this is when they are screaming out for glycogen and protein.

    As we learned above, insulin's purpose is to pull glucose out of the bloodstream and ship it out ... helping cells use it. The problem with this is the brain has a really, really small limited range of blood sugar levels that it will function within. If we put too much sugar into our system uncontrolled by insulin, we check out for good. If we have too much insulin and our blood sugar drops too low, same result....we check out. This is the danger that is inherent in manipulating insulin for our bodybuilding purposes. This is also why the timing of carbs immediately after insulin injections is critical.

    What, When, and How?
    For the purpose of bodybuilding, we want to use a short acting insulin (such as Humalog, or if not available next best Humulin-R). Either of these should be very inexpensive to purchase. The dose required will end up being between 4-10 IU's, and even in the most advanced users under 15 IU's should get the job done. For beginners, stay in the 8-10 IU range. The most advantageous time to use this is immediately post workout, when our muscles are screaming out for nutrients and are in a catabolic state. We use a U-100 insulin syringe with 1/2" needle to inject IM immediately post workout. Alternatively, you can inject sub-q if desired. When starting out using insulin, begin with a dose of 2IU's or so, and increase the dose each workout day until you reach your desired maximum.

    Immediately following your injection, you will want to do the following religiously:
    injection + 5 minutes ? drink shake with 10g glutamine / 10g creatine / 55g dextrose (based on 7-8 IU's - 7-8 grams per IU more precisely)
    Injection + 15 minutes ? drink shake with 80g of whey protein in water
    Injection + 60 ? 75 minutes ? eat a protein / carb meal with 40-50g of protein, 40-50g of carbs, NO FATS
    Avoid fats for 2-3 hours for Humalog IM, 3-4 hours for Humalog sub-q, 4-5 hours for Humulin-R.

    Things to Watch for
    Insulin's most commons side effect is HYPOGLYCEMIA (low blood glucose). It is important that you know the signs of hypoglycemia they may occur quickly!
    They are:
    - Shakiness
    - Anxiety
    - Fast heart beat
    - Hunger
    - Sweating
    - Blurred vision
    - Dizziness
    - Weakness
    - Headache
    - Irritability

    If any of these symptoms occur, you should eat some form of quick acting sugar to prevent the symptoms from getting worse (e.g., two or three glucose tablets, one tube of glucose gel, one-half cup of fruit juice or regular soft drink, one tablespoon of honey, or one tablespoon of sugar dissolved in water)

    Always have something like the above on hand when using insulin. Hypo symptoms can and will hit hard and fast, and you will have a very small window of time to react. Be ready!!

    Well, hopefully you now have a basic understanding of insulin. There are many other in-depth articles and studies available that I would encourage you to read and study, especially before venturing into insulin use. While it is extremely useful for bodybuilding, it is also dangerous enough to not be taken lightly.....know what you are doing and have a plan BEFORE you begin to consider using insulin. As in anything we do, research, research, research!!! Hopefully this post will whet your appetite to look into insulin.....used properly it is definitely one of modern bodybuilding's great tools.

    From Basskiller

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    injection + 5 minutes
    Injection + 15 minutes
    Injection + 60 ? 75 minutes ?
    If I understand correctly, there are three critical meals after the injection. One 5 mins later, one 15 mins later and one 60 mins later ?

    Also I've heard there are people injecting insulin 4 times a day not just post workout. What's that all about ?

    Great information. Thanks a lot joose.

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    You understand correctly. They are timed this way to (1) prevent hypoglycemia (2) utilize nutrient uptake during the most anabolic time-frame created by the insulin (also the most crucial time to watch for hypo). With humulin it's about 4 - 5 hours, humalog it's about 2.5 - 4 hours. However, there is some anabolic effect present for up to 48 hours post admin. This is why you have to watch your fat intake around the clock, even on days you don't take slin.

    I've never run into someone using 4x daily, but I have talked to some that use it 2x/day. I suppose you could go 4x, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you are a very experienced user, and probably a pro bb'er with a coach. Based upon the time frames listed above, once you are beyond the window for one dose, you can admin another. As a beginner, don't use more than one dose per day.

    I still consider myself a novice in the slin dept. I used it for a few weeks, but had to stop for various reasons. It's a great tool but very dangerous. You have to respect the danger or you can die.

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    One last check as I'm starting of tommorow. Here is what I'll do, correct me if I'm wrong.
    I train 3 days and recover one.
    Day 1: 2 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 2: 3 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 3: 4 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 4: Pause - Should I pause or Use in recovery day too ?
    Day 5: 5 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 6: 6 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 7: 7 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 8: Pause
    Day 9: 8 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 10: 9 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 11: 10 IU Immediately after workout SubQ
    Day 12: Pause
    From this day on I will keep using at 10 IU post work-out using the shown 3/1 injection regimen for the next 3 months. Is this ok ? Is Dextrose the best carb to use - I could also use Fructose, Glucose if better ?

    Day 1: + 5 Meal : Shake: 50 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 10 gr Glutamine, 15 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Day 2: + 5 Meal : Shake: 50 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 10 gr Glutamine, 21 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Day 3: + 5 Meal : Shake: 50 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 10 gr Glutamine, 28 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Day 4: Pause - If insulin taken on the recovery day the insulin meals stay as they were on the previous day.

    Day 5: + 5 Meal : Shake: 50 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 10 gr Glutamine, 35 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Day 6: + 5 Meal : Shake: 50 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 10 gr Glutamine, 42 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Day 7: + 5 Meal : Shake: 50 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 10 gr Glutamine, 50 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Day 8: Pause - If insulin taken on the recovery day the insulin meals stay as they were on the previous day.

    Day 9: + 5 Meal : Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 10 gr Glutamine, 56 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Day 10: + 5 Meal : Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 20 gr Glutamine, 63 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Day 11: + 5 Meal : Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate, 10 gr Creatine, 20 gr Glutamine, 70 gr Dextrose
    + 15 Meal: Shake: 80 gr NOW Whey Isolate
    + 60 Meal: 10 egg whites, 1 cup Boiled White Rice with some Soy Sauce

    Max dosage is 10IU, I would keep this diet for the next 3 months alongside with AAS and monstrous workouts.

    Thanks in advance.

    Cheers.

    P.S. - I've talked with a few pro bodybuilders, including the 2010 Jay Cutler Classic winner and they all tend to say that insulin is not that effective at all. He said he took 2IU before each meal. What's with the huge contrast - some say insulin is the most anabolic hormone ever, and the other say it's not that effective at all. Please explain. Thanks x2
    Last edited by BlackJack; 11-19-2011 at 11:25 AM.

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    Keep in mind that you are using slin for the first time and imho -

    1) you should not go over 6-7 iu [its not AAS] , it'll take you approx. one week to properly understand how your body reacts to excess slin (not mentioning hypoglycemia but fat gain or anabolism etc.) , and you'll already be at 7 iu at that time . Think again brother if any negative condition occurs you dont even get the time to react


    2) doing the same for 3 months i dont think its a good idea for a beginner as it effects your pancreas. think it like this, artificial insulin is like injecting a jet into your bloodstream .

    so for the first time start with low dose and duration and you may increase them later as you need . or you can experiment with IGF if you like.
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    Good advice. Thanks

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