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    Default 1st Cutting Cyle. Any experienced members care to comment?

    First things first:
    Age: 28
    Height: 5'11"
    Weight: 205
    BF%: 12-13%
    Cycle Exp: 1 prior cycle (Test Cyp 500mg/week for 8 weeks; Dbol 40mgs/day for 4 weeks)
    Training Exp: 10 years
    Diet: Typical High Protein/Med EFA's/Low Carb ~2200 cal 'cutting' diet.

    I just recently put together a cycle for myself using advice gained from this, and various other boards out on the internet. I would like any and all advice from people that read this. Constructive criticism is very welcome. I have not yet started, but would like to modify it beforehand in case I have missed/overlooked anything.

    Cycle:
    Winny: 50mg EOD (for 1st 6 weeks)
    Tren-A: 75mg EOD (for 1st 6 weeks)
    T3:60 mcg ED (for 1st 6 weeks)
    Test Prop: 50mg EOD (for all 8 weeks)
    Clen: 80 mcg ED (starting @ 40mcg and gradually upping the dose to an eventual 80mcg in order to evaluate my body's tolerance and to mitigate any side effects) 14 days ON - 14 days OFF. (for 10 weeks)
    Arimidex: .25 mg ED (for 10 weeks)
    HCG: 400 iu Every 5 days. (Been hearing a LOT of contradictory discussions about this substance regarding proper timing of doses, i.e.: During cycle, after cycle, at first signs of testicular atrophy, etc. etc.)

    PCT (starting a day after the last pin of Test prop on week 8)
    Week 8: Start 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid ED
    Week 9: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
    Week 10: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

    Also, this might look familiar to anyone that has seen another version of a 'cutting cycle' around the various internet websites.

    I have read that T3 and Clen depletes your body of Taurine and Potassium, so I plan to be supplementing my diet with those respective substances via vitamin. I am unfamiliar with the appropriate dosages of these so can anyone give me a good number to go with? Would the FDA's daily allowance recommendations be sufficient or would I need more because of any higher "demands" that the AAS would place on my body.

    I have also a handy supply of "LIVaid" because of the amount of orals that I will be taking. I will also try and drink at LEAST a gallon of water a day.

    Is there any advice/recommendations/comments that people can give? I am trying to cover all my bases, but any input would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.

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    Not experienced, just done a bit of research. That is my disclaimer.

    But i have heard really HORRIBLE things about Tren-A and cardio shape. Not to mention some of the horror stories of "Tren cough" on this board alone. These things are enough to make me want to stay away from tren forever.

    Have you thought about Masteron instead of the tren-a? From my standpoint, I think that's what I would run on a cutting cycle. Most likely with winny, test prop, and clen. So yeah, i agree on most of your cycle. You should look into it. And of course, see what the big dogs have to say. Good luck to ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacAttak View Post
    But i have heard really HORRIBLE things about Tren-A and cardio shape.
    Since I got out of the Marines, I am not really too concerned with my cardio abilities (WITHIN reason). I'm more into aesthetics now. If I need to get somewhere fast, I'll drive my car.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAttak View Post
    Not to mention some of the horror stories of "Tren cough" on this board alone. These things are enough to make me want to stay away from tren forever.
    From everything I've been reading about, the 'Tren cough' is mostly associated with nicking a vein. Aspirate properly and adhere to correct/sanitary injection techniques, and the problem with 'Tren Cough' should be greatly reduced. Every AAS has its positive and negative aspects. In this case (Tren), I personally think the positives outweigh the negatives.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacAttak View Post
    Have you thought about Masteron instead of the tren-a? From my standpoint, I think that's what I would run on a cutting cycle. Most likely with winny, test prop, and clen. So yeah, i agree on most of your cycle. You should look into it. And of course, see what the big dogs have to say. Good luck to ya.
    I've read about people that have a certain "fetish" for Masteron, and I might try that on a subsequent cycle later on. However, at this point all my reading has Tren-A coming out on top as the 'cutting gear of choice'.

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    Tren and Prop are like rocket fuel together. The good part about Tren A is if the sides are too much you can stop dart'n it and it clears your system in ~72hours.

    Cycle looks good but the PCT seems kinda short...

    When you did your first cycle did you get any sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5thgeartapped View Post
    Cycle looks good but the PCT seems kinda short...

    When you did your first cycle did you get any sides?
    On my first cycle, the Dbol gave me very mild gyno after about 2 weeks of use. A little pea-sized lump just under the actual nipple--In only the right nipple....nothing in the left. Weird. I stopped Dbol for about 3 days and it went away. Continued the Dbol after that, but included some Nolva with it. No problems then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey View Post
    On my first cycle, the Dbol gave me very mild gyno after about 2 weeks of use. A little pea-sized lump just under the actual nipple--In only the right nipple....nothing in the left. Weird. I stopped Dbol for about 3 days and it went away. Continued the Dbol after that, but included some Nolva with it. No problems then.
    The "normal" rule of gear is to add one new substance every cycle so if you do get sides you'll know what's causing it. However, what you're suggesting seems fine. I would just run a short cycle with these:

    Tren-A 1-8 75mg EOD
    Prop 1-8 50mg EOD
    Win 4-8 25mg ED

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    Id love to have the balls to run Tren A on my second cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey View Post
    First things first:
    Age: 28
    Height: 5'11"
    Weight: 205
    BF%: 12-13%
    Cycle Exp: 1 prior cycle (Test Cyp 500mg/week for 8 weeks; Dbol 40mgs/day for 4 weeks)
    Training Exp: 10 years
    Diet: Typical High Protein/Med EFA's/Low Carb ~2200 cal 'cutting' diet.
    If you are running a cycle to cut then just running 100mg EOD of test prop is your best bet. No need to use "stronger" steriods just to preserve muscle while in a calorie deficit diet.

    I just recently put together a cycle for myself using advice gained from this, and various other boards out on the internet. I would like any and all advice from people that read this. Constructive criticism is very welcome. I have not yet started, but would like to modify it beforehand in case I have missed/overlooked anything.

    Cycle:
    Winny: 50mg EOD (for 1st 6 weeks)
    Tren-A: 75mg EOD (for 1st 6 weeks)
    T3:60 mcg ED (for 1st 6 weeks)
    Test Prop: 50mg EOD (for all 8 weeks)
    Clen: 80 mcg ED (starting @ 40mcg and gradually upping the dose to an eventual 80mcg in order to evaluate my body's tolerance and to mitigate any side effects) 14 days ON - 14 days OFF. (for 10 weeks)
    Arimidex: .25 mg ED (for 10 weeks)
    HCG: 400 iu Every 5 days. (Been hearing a LOT of contradictory discussions about this substance regarding proper timing of doses, i.e.: During cycle, after cycle, at first signs of testicular atrophy, etc. etc.)

    PCT (starting a day after the last pin of Test prop on week 8)
    Week 8: Start 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid ED
    Week 9: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
    Week 10: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

    Your pct protocol is not right. First all of the steroids you list have short esters so you would want to start pct in 2-3 days following your last shot not two weeks. Second 3 weeks of pct is not enough even if you run only test prop. Tren is especially hard to recover from (from vast personal experience). The key to a proper pct is using the right serms at the right time and for the right amount of time.
    Also, this might look familiar to anyone that has seen another version of a 'cutting cycle' around the various internet websites.

    I have read that T3 and Clen depletes your body of Taurine and Potassium, so I plan to be supplementing my diet with those respective substances via vitamin. I am unfamiliar with the appropriate dosages of these so can anyone give me a good number to go with? Would the FDA's daily allowance recommendations be sufficient or would I need more because of any higher "demands" that the AAS would place on my body.

    I run both at 500mg ED while running clen. If you run the clen longer than 2 weeks you will also need to run 50mg of diphenhydramine each night to clear your beta receptors.

    I have also a handy supply of "LIVaid" because of the amount of orals that I will be taking. I will also try and drink at LEAST a gallon of water a day.

    Is there any advice/recommendations/comments that people can give? I am trying to cover all my bases, but any input would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks in advance.
    Okay to summarize I would not run tren this early on and for the reason you are wanting to run a cycle. Test prop only or with winstrol will be more than enough for a cutting cycle as you really aren't going to gain much muscle while taking on only 2000 calories per day. Your pct should look more like this. Start 2-3 days after last shot using nolvadex and clomid. Run the nolva 20/20/10/10/10 and clomid 50/25/25/25.

    If you decide to go against advice and use the tren I would suggest running dostinex during the cycle at .25mg E3D to keep prolactin down and little spacemonkey up and running. Also 50mg EOD of test prop will not be enough to keep libido up if you run tren. I would also suggest running hcg at 250iu 2 times per week while on cycle, stopping just prior to pct.

    You can get tren cough without hitting a vein but IMO it is the lowest of concerns when it comes to tren sides. Tren is hard on your kindeys and can cause serious lower back pain. It can also cause joint pain, as can winstrol, insomnia and anxiety just to mention a few. Of and don't forget limp dick and this can go way beyond the end of cycle and pct. Tren causes a build up of prolactin which tells your body it is "sexually satisfied" which causes loss of libido and the ability to gain or maintain an erection.Viagra and cialis are not guaranteed to help. Prolactin can also contribute to gyno that can't be treated with adex or letro effectively. Until the prolactin has left your system you could have problems. Now is any of this guaranteed to happen, no, but it is not uncommon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey View Post

    I have read that T3 and Clen depletes your body of Taurine and Potassium, so I plan to be supplementing my diet with those respective substances via vitamin. I am unfamiliar with the appropriate dosages of these so can anyone give me a good number to go with? Would the FDA's daily allowance recommendations be sufficient or would I need more....
    Regarding the potassium, I've posted something on that subject that I consider "essential reading" for anyone interested in their health, and that can be found HERE.
    I would go with the hcg on-cycle, and if you do, you could probably dispense with the clomid.

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