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    For me, I was doing fine on my test prop, NPP cycle into late week 5 early week 6. I introduced hcg into the mix day one of week 5. By late week 6 I couldn't keep a hard on. Last night I could barely get it up and my wife said, "I know you know what;s causing this, so stop." I don't know what she was complaining about she got off a couple of times I never even got one.
    My next hcg shot would be Thursday, but I'm not going to do any more. It's the only way I'll know if it's the hcg or the NPP. Will keep you guys posted on my log.
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    I personally would say it would be the NPP. It is basically deca isn't it? And Deca is a reknowned libido killer. However I would say get off the HCG straight away, keep it for the end. Shutdown is inevitable and we can't trick the body, simple as that.

    The more people I talk to about Deca I am amazed it has such a good repoir with users. The stuff is terrible and from what I keep hearing it has messed some peoples shit up pretty bad. Some so much so they are TRT for life because of it.

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    We'll see when I've been off the hcg for a while. I'm also adding var for the last 6 weeks starting Thursday. Maybe that can help a bit also.
    But youre right. I'm not sure if it is the NPP or the hcg. But since I'm getting bigger and stronger on the NPP I'd rather give up the hcg for now and see if that will help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bufbiker View Post
    We'll see when I've been off the hcg for a while. I'm also adding var for the last 6 weeks starting Thursday. Maybe that can help a bit also.
    But youre right. I'm not sure if it is the NPP or the hcg. But since I'm getting bigger and stronger on the NPP I'd rather give up the hcg for now and see if that will help.
    Not to hijack but i think its pretty relevent to this thread as a whole- HCG will not mess with your sexual performance if your keeping estrogen in check. Period. There is no maybe its this or that, it IS NOT the hcg thats causing your problems buffy, its the fact that HCG will cause some extra aromatization if your not strict with an AI regimen. That coupled with DECA and how progesterone symptoms (ie sexual dysfunction) are worsened by estrogen is why your having problems... I wouldnt stop the HCG, but increase the arimidex and Dostinex for a bit untill things return to normal. Id rather have achey joints for a week or so then a slower recovery at the end of the cycle. But which ever way you go deffinately keep us posted, its invaluable info mate.

    Jocks- Sorry to hear that about your cycle man, as for recovery- try taking low dose Aromasin for the duration of your "recovery period", its been proven to help get things back in order. Somthing along the lines of 12.5mg (half a pill usually) every 3-4 days man.

    Also if your Dr. said it was incorrect use of HCG- did he happen to tell you what the CORRECT way is? Bloody Doctors, as far as AAS are concerned all they know is what they memorized in a textbook 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeHammer View Post
    Not to hijack but i think its pretty relevent to this thread as a whole- HCG will not mess with your sexual performance if your keeping estrogen in check. Period. There is no maybe its this or that, it IS NOT the hcg thats causing your problems buffy, its the fact that HCG will cause some extra aromatization if your not strict with an AI regimen. That coupled with DECA and how progesterone symptoms (ie sexual dysfunction) are worsened by estrogen is why your having problems... I wouldnt stop the HCG, but increase the arimidex and Dostinex for a bit untill things return to normal. Id rather have achey joints for a week or so then a slower recovery at the end of the cycle. But which ever way you go deffinately keep us posted, its invaluable info mate.

    Jocks- Sorry to hear that about your cycle man, as for recovery- try taking low dose Aromasin for the duration of your "recovery period", its been proven to help get things back in order. Somthing along the lines of 12.5mg (half a pill usually) every 3-4 days man.

    Also if your Dr. said it was incorrect use of HCG- did he happen to tell you what the CORRECT way is? Bloody Doctors, as far as AAS are concerned all they know is what they memorized in a textbook 20 years ago.
    When I say doctor I mean, trainer, nutritionist and an endricologist. This man has one more titles on every BB stage and has countless powerlifting titles. He is the man when it comes to gas and has alot of AAS experience. He has a Doctor working for him straight out of his studio...sweet deal in my opinion. I have always got my bloods done through him and he has been spot on with everything I have asked him, so I take his word for it. Now when I say incorrect use I would prefer he explianed it in his terms as it is a bit much for me to explain but the short of it is simple. HCG is a kick start for your balls and thats it. In his view it shoul dnever be used through out the duration of a cycle...you cannot trick the body. I tend to believe him as I have used it at the end of a cycle and had no dramas, this time I used it throughout...and my levels are messed up. I am religious with my AI's etc. He also goes onto say that Deca is the worst drug you can use. It has serious adverse effects on some people...me and him.

    When I told him about my dramas with Deca he went onto a story that basically mirroed my experience and it was the straw that broke the camels back in his situation and is now on TRT. Mind you this is just an opinion but I can speak from experience that HCG is no good for me during a cycle,simple.

    I too believe that Buffs drama lie in a couple of things (I read your log bro, just been lazy) Deca and age. Deca is famous for deca dick, I had some soft issues on my last one with as well. And age, well mate you are 50+ some dude have no dick at that age ha ha.

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    Thanks for the encouragement there bro; age and what was it, AGE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bufbiker View Post
    Thanks for the encouragement there bro; age and what was it, AGE.
    ahahahahaha lmao BB!

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    Sorry mate LOL. I am 32 and I get called poppy and grandpa. But in all seriousness mate I want to be doing what you are at your age, you are an inspiration I'm telling ya. Age can be an issue for some though and most guys I know who use over 35 have major ED problems but never do anything about it and just accept it as part of the deal. Me and obviously you on the otherhand like banging our wifes frequently so it is a side effect we could do without and need to examine all to rectify it.

    Viagra may not be a great option either if you suffer BP issues as I have heard that it elevates that shit pretty high.

    Anyway I have not deloaded the pins yet, still having that fight with myself. It doesn't make it any better that I have put on 3kg in two weeks either. I honestly do not know how this has happened? It is like my body and brain has gone..oh right I remember what happens here, why wait, lets grow now ha ha. I have been away for the last few days so my diet has been a bit haywire and this may be the cause. I have however been hitting the sauna every 4-5 days for 15-30 minute intervals which I am loving.

    What do you guys think of my diet right now?

    Time for me to fight with the iron again. Bench day.

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    OK I weighed up my options and I have decided to see this out for 10-12 weeks at 300mg of test e. This is my choice and I guess I'll face the consequences.

    I will take a nice long break when I come off and I will boost the balls with some HCG and heal the bod with some HGH and see how I go.

    I will however give you all a commentry of this cycle and I will continue for the full recovery process for anyone who is in the same boat so that you can make your own decisions from there.

    Did Bench today and had a fantastic session. I had probably the worst bench session last week and this week I nailed it! I felt so good, muscles were pumped and the gym aggression was back. This sealed the deal for me as I cannot think of any better feeling I really can't. I came upstairs and had my shot. Done deal.

    Now I was thinking I should probably run some adex through this course for the repair benefits? Not sure on this however.

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    Not sure about adex at 300mg a week. That's like a trt dose. But to be honest I don't think it could hurt at a low dose to help keep test as the dominant hormone, especially since you are on such a low dose.
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