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    When it comes to steroids it's a big question mark. Very few people have actually died suddenly after a steroid injection but you never know right ? Try and get the best gear possible, learn as much as possible for steroids before you inject and that's all.
    I don't see only the negatives when it comes to steroids, I have been a heavy steroid user myself for a very long time. Now I only use prostaglandins and insulin though. Going into peptides soon. I find steroids to be inefficient but they are good for amateurs since they are the easiest to incorporate. Just stick and wait right.
    I'm just trying to warn you that all steroid users are more or less reckless because one can be only so much safe and then it's luck.
    So Good luck I guess

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    Blackjack you've just blasted my mind mate - reading about prostaglandins and insulin now - thanks bro

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    I find steroids to be inefficient but they are good for amateurs since they are the easiest to incorporate.

    Geeze man, you love just pissing on us. I don't understand why you feel the need to say these things-
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    I've heard that pro body builders use steroids. Is that true?
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    I guess, I pulled up PGE1 and PGE2 and they say PGE2 can make changes in to your physique in 1 week, what steroids take years to do.



    You can manipulate prostaglandin secretions for big gains. You don't do it with drugs but with special diet and training adjustments.


    The excitement caused by the arrival of IGF-1 hid what is probably a more potent muscle builder than any of those substances - prostaglandins (PGs). Today the anabolic effect of prostaglandins is the best-kept secret in the bodybuilding community. In fact, the so-called official word on prostaglandins is that they're potent mediators of catabolism, that they'll make you fat, that they're really bad for your health and so on. That's just not true, and you can manipulate prostaglandin secretions for big gains. You don't do it with drugs but with special diet and training adjustments.

    Are Prostaglandins Harmful?

    Why are prostaglandins made out to be the Saddam Hussein of bodybuilding? There are two reasons: 1) The insiders want to keep their edge-they don't want you to know about the benefits. 2) Some people don't have a clue as to what they're talking about. Some misconceptions about prostaglandins are easy to clear up. For example, we're told that PGs are antithermogenic, meaning they either reduce your temperature or prevent it from rising. That's the big lie. Think about the last time you got a fever. You probably took aspirin or ibuprofen. Why? As it happens, they're very potent prostaglandin inhibitors. If prostaglandins were truly antithermogenic, your temperature would have increased when you took aspirin or ibuprofen, but, amazingly, it reduced your body temperature. So much for the supposed antithermogenic effect.

    Doctors recommend prostaglandin inhibitors to reduce fever simply because prostaglandins are the main mediators of thermogenic reactions, such as fevers. Any prostaglandin user will tell you they are the most powerful thermogenic mediators you can imagine. Some people, however, don't want you to remember that.

    Most of the old formulas of ephedrine and caffeine contain aspirin. Supposedly, the aspirin's purpose is to enhance the thermogenic response of the stack, but I say it was added to those stacks so you'll have to buy another bottle.

    The second piece of misinformation we get about PGs is that they're the mediators of muscle catabolism. If that were true, taking a simple prostaglandin inhibitor such as aspirin after training would make you big by slowing down catabolism. Well, no one ever got big by taking aspirin.

    You might be thinking, If prostaglandins are such a powerful muscle builder, wouldn't taking aspirin make me smaller? As it happens, no one is aware of that side effect of aspirin. The explanation is simple. Physiological doses of aspirin cannot prevent the basal re leas of muscle prostaglandins and so don't interfere significantly with the normal protein turnover.

    Weight training stimulates the local areas of prostaglandins enabling them to exert an even stronger anabolic influence. That means, however, that you can completely stall training-induced muscle growth if you take enough aspirin. I say enough aspirin because, as I just mentioned muscle prostaglandins are not as sensitive to the inhibitory effects of aspirin as the other prostaglandins are. Nevertheless, more powerful substances, such as glucocorticoids, have been shown to negatively affect muscle mass because of their potent inhibitory effects on the basal secretion of muscle prostaglandins. That's the reason an excess of cortisol is so bad for bodybuilders. By inhibiting the secretion of prostaglandins induced by proper training, cortisol hinders growth.

    What Are Prostaglandins?

    Some experts believe that prostaglandins are hormones, while others claim they are short-lived, lipid-related second messengers endowed with hormone-like effects. The latter is correct. They aren't truly hormones, but they're so close that for simplicity's sake I'll classify them as muscle-building, fat-reducing hormones.

    The prostaglandins are derived from unsaturated fatty acids, so you might call them anabolic fats. By taking some kinds of dietary essential fatty acids, you can either increase or reduce prostaglandin secretions. At this point I'll restrict the discussion to muscle prostaglandins.

    Every muscle is composed of many fibers, each of which is covered by a membrane made of fat. The fats you eat become the major components of the membrane, which not only protects the muscle cells but is also a source of phospholipids, the raw material of prostaglandins.

    Proper weight training, for example, stimulates the local release of prostaglandins in an autocrine and paracrine manner. The more PGs that are released, the better. Some kinds of dietary fats can enhance the effect of training by providing more raw materials for prostaglandin synthesis, while others hinder the process. Consequently, you can enhance or slow down the release of those muscle-building substances by altering your fat intake, especially the kind of fat you take in.

    For now I'll concentrate on the prostaglandins of the 1 series, which are called prostaglandin E1. PGE1 is created by the metabolization of linoleic acid, and one very easy way to increase the manufacture of PGE1 is to take oils that your diet doesn't naturally provide. In fact, most bodybuilders don't come close to producing enough PGE1.

    The Anabolic Properties of PGE1

    You may already be aware of some of PGE1's interesting properties. In the pre-Viagra era PGE1 injection was one of the most potent ways of inducing a long-lasting erection. PGE1 is also one of the few substances that can help build muscle mass. Its anabolic properties in humans were brought to light by German studies performed in the late '80s. The researchers gave PGE1 intravenously to healthy subjects who had fasted. Before the infusion, amino acids were leaving the muscles because of the catabolic response induced by the lack of food. Once the PGE1 got to the blood, the amino acid loss was stopped and then reversed. In other words, the subjects went from a state of net catabolism into a phase of net anabolism thanks to an increase in PGE1. Although insulin secretion was unchanged, the researchers concluded that PGE1 has an insulinlike effect on muscle. A recent study confirmed that effect.

    The researchers begin by stating, "Prostaglandins of the E (PGE) series have long been considered 'catabolic' hormones, but recent data suggest that they may be secreted in critically ill patients to counteract stress hormones, stimulating protein synthesis." It's about time that science confirms what bodybuilders have known for years. If Dianabol is the breakfast of champions, PGE1 is their evening meal because of its ability to turn the catabolic nocturnal period into an anabolic period.

    PGE1 deficiency has long been associated with impaired muscle growth. As humans naturally produce very little PGE1 because of a lack of absorption of the corresponding raw materials, bodybuilders are probably deficient in it-not in a way that's detrimental to their health but in the sense that muscle growth is suboptimal.
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    Will PGE1 Make You Fat?

    As mentioned above, a high PGE1 level is especially desirable at night because of the substance's protective, insulinlike effects on muscles. Of course, with insulin there's also the possibility of gaining fat-and prostaglandins do have the reputation of being fattening.

    PGE1 inhibits fat release in a test tube just as insulin does, but it's a big leap to assume that PGE1 is fattening based on test tube studies. In humans the administration of PGE1 leads to both an increase in the free fatty acid levels in the blood and an increased rate of fat oxidation in muscles. That means PGE1 extracts the fat from your adipose tissue and brings it to the muscles, where the fat molecules are burned. So much for PGE1 being fattening!

    You may wonder how PGE1 produces its wonderful fat-burning effects. PGE1 actions in the short term are mediated mainly by an increase in the secretion of norepineprine. Its long-term fat-fighting effects are brought about by an increase in both growth hormone secretion and thyroid hormone production. In addition, PGE1 reduces the secretion of insulin that you'd normally get after a meal. That lessens insulin's fattening properties without altering its muscle-building effects, as those are reinforced by the PGE1.

    PGE1 may also blunt the effects of the alpha 2 receptors, which is a good thing. Scientists believe it does that through a "heterologous desensitization at the post receptor level." That means the alpha 2 receptors located on the fat cells, which prevent fat loss, don't function as well because of PGE1. As a result, you lose more fat from hard- to-lose areas. What's more, PGE1 may enhance the fat-reducing properties of the beta adrenergic receptors.

    PGE1 is also associated with fat cell necrosis, or the destruction of unwanted fat cells. Last, but not least, PGE1 strongly stimulates thermogenesis, which wastes calories. That, incidentally, is one of the major side effects of artificial PGE1 administration. Body temperature rises to an alarming degree.

    In case you're wondering, there are no side effects involved with naturally enhanced PGE1 production. The problems arising from direct PGE1 infusion or taking PGE1 pills are due to the rapid, unnatural increase of the substance in the blood, and they range from fever to severe nausea, headache, cramps and soreness. In other words, exogenous administration of PGE1- in which it's introduced into the body from an outside source-is dangerous, and I strongly advise against it, especially as it's so simple to ask your body to produce it gently and naturally. That warning is particularly important for women, as the presence of exogenous PGE1 can damage a fetus.

    How Do You Increase PGE1?

    Use an oil rich in gamma linolenic acid (GLA, not to be confounded with CLA). Evening primrose oil (EPO) is one such oil. Although it's only 10 percent GLA, it has proven to be really good at elevating PGE1 levels.5 Five to 10 grams of EPO spread over the day is a good way to boost your PGEI level to muscle-building thresholds. Some studies done with humans have shown a fat-loss effect with far less than that, though. By taking GLA throughout the day, you enhance PGEJ production naturally, without the strong peaks associated with the side effects of drugs containing PGE1. The researcher in the last study cited above advised stacking GLA with zinc and vitamins C and B6 for optimal PGE1 transformation. 5 Unfortunately, throwing a few capsules of evening primrose oil into your diet is not enough for serious bodybuilders. It's a very good start, however, and in the next installment of this discussion I'll explain how you can fine-tune your dietary manipulation of the prostaglandins. By the way, flaxseed oil doesn't contain much GLA and if anything inhibits PGE1 formation.

    If you're impressed with the prostaglandins so far, let me assure you that you ain't seen nothing yet. I consider PGE1 to be mild compared to PG of the 2 series, which can transform your physique as no steroid can in less than a week.

    Note that it's very rare for someone to be able to increase the secretion of an anabolic factor with only a simple dietary manipulation, so don't miss this opportunity. I can't promise you'll get a Viagra-like effect, but you won't suffer the side effects either.
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    thanks guys just read that stuff - the mind boggles - got this too: The WeighTrainer - Dietary Fats, Prostaglandins and Hormones ...... amazing read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackJack View Post
    When it comes to steroids it's a big question mark. Very few people have actually died suddenly after a steroid injection but you never know right ?
    I'm just trying to warn you that all steroid users are more or less reckless because one can be only so much safe and then it's luck.
    So Good luck I guess
    I agree BlackJack. I don't know of anyone that has died suddenly after a steroid injection. Come to think of it though we do have a lot of guys that come on here and start a cycle and we never hear from them again. Makes you wonder.
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